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>>>HI, I’M BROOKE BALDWIN, YOU’RE WATCHING CNN, FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES, THE PUSH TO DISMISS CONCERNS OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE JUST GOT HARDER, THIS IS WHY. A SECOND WHISTLE BLOWER HAS NOW STEPPED FORWARD, SOMEONE WITH FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONDUCT DESCRIBED. THAT IS ACCORDING TO ATTORNEY MARK ZAID WHO IS REPRESENTING THE FIRST WHISTLE-BLOWER. AND THIS PERSON WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN WITH THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY INSPECTOR GENERAL. THAT AS THREE HOUSE SUBPOENA, THE PENTAGON AND THE WHITE HOUSE BUDGET OFFICE — YOU CAN ADD RICK PERRY TO THE LIST OF TOP TRUMP OFFICIALS ENSNARED IN THIS WHOLE THING. LET ME TAKE YOU BACK TO FRIDAY, AND THAT PHONE CALL ABOUT THAT PERFECT CALL BETWEEN HOUSE REPUBLICANS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. IN A BIT OF A PLOT TWIST, THE PRESIDENT TOLD LAWMAKERS HE DIDN’T WANT TO TALK TO ZIELINSKI, DESPITE HIS NUMEROUS CLAIMS ABOUT CORRUPTION CONCERNS. NO, HE SAID HE DID SO BECAUSE SECRETARY PERRY WANTED THE TWO LEADERS TO DISCUSS A NATURAL GAS PROJECT. AND FOR HIS PART, RICK PERRY SAYS IT WAS ALL ABOUT ENERGY AND NOT AT ALL ABOUT JOE BIDEN OR HIS SON. >>ABSOLUTELY, I ASKED THE PRESIDENT MULTIPLE TIMES, MR. PRESIDENT, WE THINK IT IS IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN IN UKRAINE’S BEST INTEREST THAT YOU AND THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE HAVE CONVERSATIONS, THAT YOU DISCUSS THE OPTIONS THAT ARE THERE, ABSOLUTELY, YES.>>DANA BASH IS IN WASHINGTON, DANA, THIS TRANSCRIPT WE HAVE ALL READ, SHOWS TRUMP AND SATZIELINSKI NEVER DISCUSSED TH ENERGY ISSUE ONCE. WHAT’S GOING ON HERE?>>RICK PER ARE YOU WHO WE HAVEN’T HEARD MUCH FROM AT ALL DURING THE THREE YEARS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, AND RICK PERRY PROBABLY WEARS THAT AS A BADGE OF HONOR THAT HE STAYED BELOW THE RADAR AND BELOW THE MEDIA, AND PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY AWAY FROM THE TRUMP CHAOS IS FULLY IN IT. YOU JUST PLAYED RICK PERRY OUT OF THE COUNTRY, TRAVELING AROUND DOING HIS JOB AS ENERGY SECRETARY AND SAYING, EXCUSE ME, MR. PRESIDENT, YOU’RE NOT GOING TO RUN THAT BUS OVER ME SO FAST. I’M GOING TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT I DID, AND WHY I DID IT. YOU KNOW, I’M SURE THE PRESIDENT ISN’T VERY HAPPY WITH THE ENERGY SECRETARY’S STATEMENTS, BUT HE JUST ADMITTED, YEAH, OF COURSE, AS ENERGY SECRETARY IT WAS MY JOB TO TRY TO GET THE LEADERS OF THESE TWO COUNTRIES TOGETHER FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ENERGY.>>IT DIDN’T COME UP AS FAR AS WE KNOW ON THE SUMMARY, BASED ON THE SUMMARY OF THIS CALL. BUT IT CERTAINLY IS NOT SITTING WELL WITH RICK PERRY TO BE BLAMED FOR THIS MESS.>>DANA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET’S CALL IT WHAT IT IS, THIS CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ON FULL DISPLAY REGARDING TRUMP’S REQUEST FOR UKRAINE AND CHINA TO HELP A POLITICAL RIVAL. MITT ROMNEY AND OTHERS HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES UNDER HEAVY TWITTER ATTACK FROM THIS PRESIDENT. THE HANDFUL OF REPUBLICANS WHO ARE PUBLICLY STANDING UP FOR THE PRESIDENT ARE MOUNTING AN UNORTHODOXED DEFENSE, INSISTING YOU CAN’T TAKE THE PRESIDENT’S WORD SERIOUSLY, CLAIMING TRUMP WAS JUST JOKING WHEN HE SPOKE ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN AND ASKED CHINA TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN. #. >>I DON’T THINK IT’S A REAL REQUEST. I THINK HE DID IT TO GET YOU GUYS.>>I DOUBT THE CHINA COMMENT WAS SERIOUS, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.>>YOU DON’T THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS — >>NO, THE PRESIDENT LOVES TO GO OUT ON THE WHITE HOUSE DRIVE WAY. I HAVEN’T TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS, I KNEW HE LOVES TO BAIT THE PRESS.>>I DON’T THINK ANYONE IN AMERICA REALLY BELIEVES, EXCEPT MAYBE PEOPLE IN THE PRESS AND DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS, REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THINKS CHINA’S GOING TO INVESTIGATE. >>HE’S ASKING FOR IT, AND THE PRESIDENT HASN’T SAID HE’S JOKING, HE SAID A DIRECT STATEMENT, HE WASN’T SMILING THERE, HE WASN’T LAUGHING, IT WASN’T A JOKE.>>WHY CAN’T YOU ANSWER YES OR NO? DO YOU THINK THAT’S APPROPRIATE?>>I DON’T THINK THAT’S WHAT HE DIDP P. >>RICK WILSON IS A REPUBLICAN STRA STRATEGIST. HERE WE GO, GUYS, THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH ME, I WANTED TO START WITH YOU. THIS IS NOT A JOKE. TRUMP HAS NEVER SAID HE WAS JOKING, PLUS, YOU KNOW, HE’S TWEETED THIS IN REFERENCE TO A CHINA REQUEST. AS PRESIDENT I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK INTO POSSIBLE OR PROBABLE CORRUPTION. SINCE TRUMP HIMSELF IS USING THIS AS A DEFENSE, WHY ARE REPUBLICANS?>>BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE LIVING IN A CLIMATE THAT THEY’VE LIVED IN FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, OF ABSOLUTE FEAR OF DONALD TRUMP. THEY FEAR HIM MORE THAN LOSING THEIR HONOR. THEY FEAR HIM MORE THAN LOSING THEIR INTEGRITY. THEY FEAR A TWEET FROM DONALD TRUMP MORE THAN THE MOST DANGEROUS POISONOUS SNAKE. THERE IS A SENSE OF TERROR THAT THEY DON’T WANT TO CROSS HIM, THEY’LL LOOK FOR ANY EXCUSE, NO MATTER HOW SILLY TO USE TO TRY TO DEFEND HIM. HE’S JOKING. HE’S PUNKING THE MEDIA. IT’S ONE THEY’LL REGRET DOING IN A FEW DAYS. IT ALWAYS REVEAL THEMSELVES, HE DID ASK, HE WAS SERIOUS, THINGS NEVER WORK OUT THE WAY THE SPIN LOOKS AT FIRST FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THE OTHER DEFENSE WE’VE BEEN HEARING FROM TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS IS YEAH, WE DID IT, BUT NOTHING TO SEE HERE. THIS IS MIKE POMPEO, WATCH THIS.>>NATIONS DO THIS. NATIONS WORK TOGETHER AND SAY, BOY, GOODNESS GRACIOUS IF YOU CAN HELP ME WITH X, I’LL HELP YOU ACHIEVE Y. IT’S WIN WIN, IT’S BETTER FOR EACH OF US. I’M NOT OFFENDED WHEN YOUR PRIME MINISTER ASKS ME, CAN YOU HELP US WITH X, DOESN’T BOTHER ME A LICK.>>FIRST OF ALL, IS WHAT TRUMP WAS DOING, DOES THAT HELP JUSTICE — POMPEO WAS DESCRIBING AND WILL THAT DEFENSE WORK?>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I LIKE MIKE POMPEO, I WORKED WITH HIM, I BELIEVE HE — HE FEELS LIKE HE’S DOING HIS JOB. HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT HE WASN’T JUST LOOKING AT ALL CORRUPTION. IT WAS THE PROBLEM THAT COMES INTO QUESTION THAT HE’S LOOKING AT A POLITICAL OPPONENT. THAT’S WHERE YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE, I WONDER IF MIKE POMPEO WAS ON THE OTHER END, HE WAS SAYING, OKAY, ARE YOU ASKING ME THIS JUST BECAUSE HE’S A POLITICAL OPPONENT OR ARE YOU ASKING ME TO LOOK INTO THIS BECAUSE YOU’RE CONCERNED ABOUT CORRUPTION? AND I THINK THAT’S WHERE YOU GET A LITTLE — YOU GET A LITTLE BIT — YOU START TO QUESTION WHAT THE MOTIVATION IS, THE OTHER THING ALSO, I DON’T THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR EXCUSES TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT, I THINK THERE’S BEEN SOME MISTRUST BACK AND FORTH, AND I THINK THERE’S SOME MEMBERS OF THE GOP THAT HAVE JUSTIFIED SOME OF THESE THINGS IN THEIR MINDS.>>THEY’RE SITTING THERE SAYING, WELL, THIS CAN’T ACTUALLY BE HAPPENING, SO IT MUST BE THIS OR IT MUST BE — I JUST THINK THAT — >>WHY? WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT?>>I KNOW.>>IT’S LIKE THE REPUBLICAN RECKONING NOW.>>NO, BUT — THERE’S A REASON. THINK ABOUT THIS, ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE GONE OUT THAT HAVE STOOD UP AND PUT THEMSELVES OUT ON THE LIMB — >>ARE DONE.>>ARE BEING TARGETED BY AM DIDS, THEY’RE DONE. THEY’RE DONE.>>SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A DIVISION IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HERE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE STANDING UP SAYING, THIS DOESN’T SOUND RIGHT, AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY OUT OF YOUR MIND HERE. THE WHOLE THING IS BIZARRE, AND I THINK WHAT’S SAD IS THAT THE WORK OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ISN’T GETTING DONE. EVERYBODY IS DOUBTFUL, EVERYONE’S QUESTIONING, THEY DON’T TRUST THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ANY LONGER.>>LET ME PLAY ONE MORE CLIP, AND THEN RICK I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. TO USE BIZARRE AS A WORD, THIS IS ANOTHER REPUBLICAN SENATOR GOING A STEP FURTHER. THIS IS RON JOHNSON ON THE SUNDAY SHOWS SAYING, HE DOESN’T TRUST THE CIA AND FBI.>>I JUST WANT THE TRUTH, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT THE TRUTH.>>DO YOU NOT TRUST THE FBI, YOU DON’T TRUST THE CIA.>>NO, NO, I DON’T.>>YOU DON’T TRUST EITHER OF THOSE ENTITIES?>>AFTER JAMES COMEY — >>YOU BELIEVE THE FBI AND THE CIA. >>I DON’T TRUST ANY OF THESE GUYS IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.>>DO YOU TRUST THEM NOW?>>NO, I DIDN’T TRUST THEM BACK THEN.>>RICK, THIS IS — YOU KNOW THIS, BUT WHY THIS IS SO SIGNIFICANT COMING FROM SNORE JO SENATOR JOHNSON, IT’S HIS JOB TO WORK WITH THE CIA, WORK WITH THE FBI TOE KEEP OUR ELECTIONS SAFE.>>I WOULD ADVICE SENATOR JOHNSON TO GO BACK AND READ WHO STEVE BANNON POSTED, WE MADE ALL THIS UP. RON JOHNSON SOUNDS LIKE HE’S READING ALL THESE FAROUT THEORIES. HE CAME ACROSS AS SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE A CONSPIRACY EDGE CASE GUY AND NOT LIKE A U.S. SENATOR FROM WISCONSIN.>>WHAT’S YOUR MESSAGE TO THESE REPUBLICANS. MINA IS EXACTLY RIGHT. YOU LOOK AT THE REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE PUT THEIR BIG TOES OUT. THEY ARE GONE.>>WELL, LOOK, A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE GONE WERE FROM MORE CENTRIST AND MODERATE DISTRICTS AROUND THE COUNTRY IN THE SUBURBAN RINGS AROUND MAJOR CITIES, WHERE REPUBLICANS HAD HELD THOSE SEATS FOR MANY YEARS, AND DONALD TRUMP IS UNPALATABLE TO THOSE FOLKS. HE’S ATTACKED A LOT OF REPUBLICANS AND THEY GET PRIMARY BY SOME PERSON WHO LOSES THE SEAT AS A GENERAL RULE. AND SO YOU’VE GOT A VICIOUS CYCLE RUNNING BOTH DIRECTIONS. YOU HAVE TRUMP ON THE ONE HAND ATTACKING REPUBLICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM. IN ANYWAY AT ALL. AND ON THE OTHER HAND THE DEMOCRATS ARE READY TO SWOOP 234 AND TAKE THOSE SEEKS THE MINUTE TRUMP WEAKENS THEM. TRUMP HAS BEEN A GREAT RECRUITER FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.>>WHAT ABOUT WHAT MICK MULVANEY HAS SAID. HIS PREDICTION, HE THINKS IN THAT WORLD THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP COULD WIN 45 STATES IN 2020 AFTER THE WHOLE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. I HAVE NOT SEEN A POLL INDICATING LIKE THIS, DO YOU THINK HE’S MERELY DRINKING THE WHITE HOUSE KOOL-AID OR MIGHT THERE BE SOME TRUTH TO THIS?>>WELL, THERE MIGHT BE, REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE IN THE ELECTIONS, THE POLLS DIDN’T INDICATE THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS GOING TO WIN AND HE WON. SO THAT WAS SURPRISING TO EVERYBODY. I DO BELIEVE IN AREAS, ESPECIALLY IN STATES WHERE YOU DO HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT HAVE COME UP. MODERATE DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS THAT HAVE — THAT ARE PRESSURED INTO SAYING, HEY, WE SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT, THEY’RE GOING TO BE CALLED OUT ON THIS, THERE ARE GOING TO BE CAMPAIGN ADS ABOUT THIS IMPEACHMENT. THE FACT THAT THERE ISN’T A VOTE ON THE FLOOR. THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU CAN SEE EVEN IN SOME OF THE TOWN HALLS THAT ABSOLUTELY HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THIS RECESS. YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A DIVIDING MARK. SO IT DEPENDS ON WHERE AMERICA IS. AND IF AMERICA IS NOT READY TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT WE’RE GOING TO SEE THIS BE A DIVIDING FACTOR AND THE PRESIDENT MAY WIN OR THIS MAY JUST GET THE HOUSE BACK AGAIN. THE GOP MEMBERS.>>RICK, WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>NO, I HEAR — I HEAR THE CONGRESSWOMAN SAYING, IT IS POSSIBLE. RICK, 45 STATES, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS PREDICTION?>>LOOK, RIGHT NOW WE’VE — THE REPUBLICANS LOST 42 SEATS IN THE LAST CYCLE, THEY ALREADY HAVE 15 RETIREMENTS, 7 OF THOSE 15 ARE IN DISTRICTS THAT ARE GOING TO GO TO THE DEMOCRATS BY ALMOST EVERY MODEL. THERE’S ALMOST NO CHANCE OF THEM GETTING THEIR HOUSE BACK. GOD KNOWS THEY HAVE TROUBLE ORGANIZING A TWO-CAR MOTORCADE SOMETIMES. BUT THERE’S A POLITICAL DOWNSIDE TO THE PRESIDENT HERE, IN THE FEW REPUBLICAN SEATS THAT ARE VULNERABLE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT LOVING THE FACT THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN SUBMERGED INTO AN IMPEACHMENT SIDE SHOW, AND 50% OF THAT BLAME OR MORE RESTS WITH THE WAY DONALD TRUMP HAS BEHAVED IN OFFICE AS THE PRESIDENT, WHERE HE’S ENGAGING IN THINGS LIKE THE UKRAINE SCANDAL, AND ENGAGING IN THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF CORRUPTION LARGE AND SMALL.>>APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION, NICE TO HAVE YOU BOTH ON.>>>A FORMER WHISTLE-BLOWER SPEAKS OUT ABOUT WHAT IT’S LIKE TO SOUND THE ALARM ON THE GOVERNMENT. HE SAID IT’S A LOT LIKE GOING THROUGH HELL.>>>PLUS, IT IS RICK PERRY’S FAULT, THAT IS THE PRESIDENT’S ANSWER FOR ASKING A FOREIGN POWER TO MEDDLE IN OUR ELECTION.>>>THE PRESIDENT IS ABANDONING THE KURDS IN NORTHERN SYRIA, WHAT THIS DECISION MEANS FOR AMERICA’S ENEMIES COMING UP. YOU’RE WATCHING>>>WE’RE BACK, YOU’RE WATCHING CNN, I’M BROOKE BALDWIN. THE FIRST WHISTLE-BLOWER’S ACTIONS ARE DRAWING PRAISE. INCLUDING A FORMER DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE. ALL OF THEM SIGNING ON TO THIS LETTER THAT DEFENDS THE PERSON’S DECISION WHILE BLASTING PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ATTEMPTS TO UNMASK THEIR IDENTITY. MY NEXT GUEST SAYS DESPITE PRAISE. THIS WHISTLE BLOWER COULD PHASE CHALLENGES IN THE DAYS AND YEARS TO COME. HIS NAME IS DANIEL MEYER. THE FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE WHISTLE BLOWING PROGRAM. AND HIS RECENT DAILY BEAST PIECE WAS ENTITLED, I WAS WHISTLE-BLOWER. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME. WELCOME.>>GLAD TO BE HERE.>>YOU WRITE ABOUT THIS EXPERIENCE. AMERICAN WHISTLE BLOWING IS AT ITS BEST COLD AND TRANSACTIONAL, YOU THINK THE VIOLATION THROUGH, YOU REPORT IT WITHOUT EMOTION, YOU CONVEY IT LAWFULLY AND YOU RUN FOR COVER. IT’S COLD AND WITHOUT EMOTION. BUT ALSO RUN FOR COVER. THE DECISION YOU MADE THREE TIMES WANT BE AN EASY ONE TO MAKE.>>THE IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER CANNOT ATTACH DISCLOSURE TO HIS IDENTITY. THE MINUTE YOU GET EMOTIONALLY CAUGHT UP IN YOUR ACTIONS, YOU’RE GOING TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE, GO TOO FAR AND MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO PROTECT YOU. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A CASE BOOK EXAMPLE THE LAST THREE WEEKS HOW TO PROCEED WITH THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PROTECTION. THE CRITICAL POINT GOING-FORWARD, IS WILL THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY CIRCLE AROUND THIS WHISTLE BLOWER. EVEN IF THERE’S STRONG PRESSURE FROM OTHER QUARTERS TO REPRISE AGAINST HIM. REMEMBER, RICHARD NIXON WENT AFTER ERNIE FITZGERALD IN THE 1970s, BUT COULD ONLY DO SO THROUGH PERSONS IN THE AIR FORCE. THAT’S THE CRITICAL THING, WHO WILL CIRCLE AROUND AND PROTECT THE WHISTLE BLOWER.>>SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THIS WHISTLE BLOWER WILL FEEL THAT A LARGE WEIGHT HAS BEEN LIFTED OFF HIS OR HER SHOULDERS. YOU SAY THE DAYS AHEAD COULD INVOLVE A LOT OF SECOND GUESSING. HOW SO?>>WELL, THE CRITICAL REALIZATION FOR THE WHISTLE BLOWER IS WHETHER THOSE IN CHARGE OF HIS OR HER CAREER PATH ARE GOING TO STEP FORWARD TO MAKE SURE AS ALL OF THIS TURNS TOWARD IMPEACHMENT AND AWAY FROM THE WHISTLE BLOWING, WHETHER THE WHISTLE BLOWER IS ON A STRONG CAREER PATH. IN MY THREE, FOUR INSTANCES OF WHISTLE BLOWING, PEOPLE STEPPED IN TO MAKE SURE I HAD OPTIONS GOING-FORWARD, AND THEY DID SO RATHER AGGRESSIVELY, SO I WAS VERY FORTUNATE, BUT MANY OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWERS I HELPED AND REPRESENT OVER THE YEARS, THAT’S NOT BEEN THE CASE, THEY’VE BEEN ALL BUT ABANDONED BY OFFICIAL WASHINGTON AFTER THEY’RE DONE WITH THEIR WHISTLE BLOWING.>>DANIEL, IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU WERE FIRED LAST YEAR, REPORTEDLY OVER A POOR PERFORMANCE REVIEW, YOU SAY THAT’S NOT THE CASE. THIS WAS FLAT OUT RETALIATION, AND SO WHAT MIGHT THESE WHISTLE BLOWERS BE FACING, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS CURRENT PRESIDENT DEMANDING TO MEET THAT PERSON FACE TO FACE, AND SAYING HIS OR HER SOURCE IS A SPY?>>THE CRITICAL ISSUE WHEN YOU BLOW THE WHISTLE IS YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU’RE ACTUALLY PERFORMING AT 120%. EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT’S OUT THERE FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR SITUATION, THEY MAY TRY TO DO THAT. AND THEN THE CRITICAL THING, AND MY EXPERIENCE WAS UNIQUE, BECAUSE IT WAS WITHIN THE IG COMMUNITY, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ALLEGEDLY OR REPRISED AGAINST WHO WERE IG STAFF, IT’S HARD TO GET AT THOSE ISSUES, BECAUSE THE IG’S ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THE INVESTIGATIONS. HOW CAN THEY DO THEM IF THEY’RE NOT REPRISERS? THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER IS NOT IN THAT SITUATION, THIS PERSON APPEARS TO BE OUTSIDE THE IG COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY IG ATKINSON, BUT ALSO THE IG OF WHATEVER AGENCY THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER HAS COME FROM. THEY WILL HAVE THE TOOLS TO NECESSARILY GO FORWARD AND PROTECT THE PERSON.>>ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>THANK YOU.>>COMING UP, RICK PERRY MADE ME DO IT, THAT IS THE PRESIDENT’S NEW EXCUSE FOR SOLICITING FOREIGN ELECTION INTERFERENCE, THERE ARE MANY MORE, WE’LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE GROWING LIST. THE IMPACT OF THE PRESIDENT’S ABRUPT DISCUSSION TO TURN HIS BACK ON U.S.>>>THE ON GOING ATTEMPT BY REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS TO DEFEND PRESIDENT TRUMP ARE BECOMING MORE BAFFLE ING ARE THESE GOP DEFENSES MORE BIZARRE. CHRIS CILLIZZA IS OUR EDITOR IN LARGE.>>HOLY MOLY. LET’S GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS DONALD TRUMP HAS DEFENDED THIS UKRAINE CALL. STARTING WITH MAYBE MY FAVORITE. IT WAS A PERFECT PHONE CALL. NOT SURE WHAT THAT ENTAILS, IT WAS A PERFECT PHONE CALL. THEN WE WENT TO, YEAH, WELL, I DID MENTION BIDEN, WE NEED TO PROBE BIDEN. THERE’S A LOT OF CORRUPTION THERE. NO DETAILS OF CORRUPTION. THEN THERE WAS, IT WAS REALLY ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES PAYING A FAIR SHARE AS IT RELATES TO MILITARY AID GOING TO THE UKRAINE. THIS IS TRUMP AT THE YOU U.N. TALKING ABOUT THAT. >>WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNTRIES ARE HONEST, IT’S VERY IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT CORRUPTION, IF YOU DON’T TALK ABOUT CORRUPTION, WHY WOULD YOU GIVE MONEY TO A COUNTRY THAT YOU THINK IS CORRUPT? ONE OF THE REASONS THE NEW PRESIDENT GOT ELECTED. HE WAS GOING TO STOP CORRUPTION. MY COMPLAIN THE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND I’LL WITHHOLD AGAIN AND CONTINUE TO WITHHOLD UNTIL SUCH TIME AS EUROPE AND OTHER NATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO UKRAINE. BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT DOING IT, IT’S THE UNITED STATES, WE’RE PUTTING UP THE BULK OF THE MONEY, AND I’M ASKING WHY IS THAT?>>RIGHT. OKAY, LET’S KEEP GOING. THE NEXT ONE, THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO, YEAH, I BROUGHT IT UP, THERE WAS NO I’LL DO X IF YOU DO Y. NO QUID PROQUO. NO EVIDENCE THAT HUNTER OR JOE BIDEN DID ANYTHING ILLEGAL IN UKRAINE. THEN WE MOVED OVER TO SPY, THE WHISTLE-BLOWER MAY BE A SPY. BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SPY AND A WHISTLE-BLOWER. THEN WE HAVE ADAM SCHIFF. THIS WAS AMAZING — ADAM SCHIFF CO WRITE THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT. THAT’S BASED ON A FACT THAT ADAM SCHIFF FOUND OUT IT WAS BEING WRITTEN THROUGH A STAFFER AND CO WROTE IT. WHAT IS DONALD TRUMP’S DEFINITION OF A HOAX? I HAVE NO IDEA. WE HAVE A TWEET FOR IT’S MY RIGHT. I BELIEVE IT’S HIS RIGHT TO DO THIS STUFF. NO, ANTI-CORRUPTION, HE’S DOING THIS BECAUSE THE WORLD — HE NEEDS TO BREAKTHROUGH. THAT’S A GOOD THING, WE HAVE A — NO, THE JOKER DEFENSE. WHICH IS, HE WAS JUST KIDDING. OF COURSE. THAT’S MARCO CUBE YO, HE WAS JUST KIDDING, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, CHINA DOESN’T TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY. DOES CHINA KNOW HE WAS JUST KIDDING. AND THEN THIS GUY, THE FALL GUY. RICK PERRY, THIS GUY WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD TRUMP TO CALL THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR ZIELINSKI. IT WAS ABOUT ENERGY, NOT ABOUT THE BIDENS. WE KNOW, BECAUSE THEY RELEASED A TRANSCRIPT. >>BUT THEY NEVER MENTIONED IT.>>WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT THE INITIAL CALL WAS, WE KNOW THAT TRUMP GOT TO WHAT HE WANTED TO GET TO, THE BIDENS IN UKRAINE, ALL OF THIS, REMEMBER IT’S NOT AS THOUGH WE’VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS UKRAINE ISSUE FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, IT’S TWO WEEKS. TRUST ME, THERE’S ABOUT 50 MORE TWEETS THAT GO WITH ALL THIS STUFF TOO, IT’S JUST WILD AND IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT HE’S JUST THROWING STUFF AGAINST THE WALL IN THE HOPES THAT SOMETHING STICKS.>>I SUPPOSE SO. CHRIS CILLIZZA, YOU AMAZE ME EVERY DAY WITH EVERYTHING YOU AND YOUR TEAM COME UP WITH.>>IT’S YOUR TEAM, BUT TLAFRPG YOU.>>YEAH, THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>>STILL AHEAD HERE, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ALIKE, BOTH SLAMMING THE PRESIDENT’S DECISION TO TURN HIS BACK ON THE KURDS IN SYRIA. WHY IS HE ABANDONING A U.S. ALLY.>>>WHY HIS UNMATCHED>>>PRESIDENT TRUMP NOW STANDS ACCUSED OF ABANDONING A U.S. ALLY TWO AMERICAN TROOPS HAVE FOUGHT SIDE BY SIDE WITH IN THE BATTLE AGAINST ISIS. # THE KURDISH LED SYRIAN FORCES SAY THEY’RE BLINDSIDED BY THIS, AND THE U.S. PULLOUT WITH HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT IN THE WAR AGAINST ISIS AND DESTROY THE STABILITY THAT’S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THE PAST YEARS. KEY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE AFRAID THIS WILL GIVE ISIS THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE AREA. HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI ONCE AGAIN SAYS, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DESSERTING AN ALLY IN AN ATTEMPT TO APPEASE A FOREIGN STRONG MAN, AND LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID THIS.>>THIS IMPULSIVE DECISION BY THE PRESIDENT IS SENDING THE REGION INTO FURTHER CHAOS. I’M AN ISIS FIGHTER, I HAVE A SECOND LEASE ON LIFE. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WE’VE GIVEN BACK THE BATTLEFIELD TO THE ENEMY.>>MY NEXT GUEST IS ALSO WORRIED, WILL SHE WAS IN SYRIA AND LEBANON FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THE SYRIAN CRISIS, SHE’S WITH ME NOW, AND SO WE’RE LOOKING AT ONE OF YOUR TWEETS FROM TODAY. LET’S STEP BACK FOR A SECOND AND REMIND US, WHY U.S. TROOPS WERE IN SYRIA, AND WHAT TURKEY’S INTERESTS ARE.>>THE U.S. TROOPS WENT INTO SYRIA IN 2014, AS PART OF THE EFFORT TOE DEFEAT ISIS. THE AREA THEY WENT INTO IN PARTICULAR, WAS AN AREA THAT HAD CLEANED ISIS OUT, AND THEY WERE THERE TO HELP WITH RECONSTRUCTION EFFORTS. THE IDEA WAS TO GET REFUGEES TO COME BACK TO SYRIA, WHICH HELPS A GLOBAL MIGRANT ISSUE. THERE’S A PATTERN FOR ALL OF THIS, AND A CYCLE FOR ALL OF IT. AND CERTAINLY TO COUNTER IRANIAN INFLUENCE AND COUNTER TERRORISM IN THE REGION.>>WE’LL COME BACK TO IRAN IN A SECOND. FIRST, WITH THIS MOVE. WHAT ARE THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM IMPLICATIONS. IN TERMS OF THE KURDS, THE REFUGEES.>>THE UNITED STATES BACKED THE KURDS THAT LIVE IN THAT PART OF SYRIA. THEY FUNDED THEM, THEY EQUIPPED THEM, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DEFEAT ISIS. THEY WERE A LARGE PART OF WHY WE SUCCEEDED IN THAT GOAL. SO THAT’S WHERE WE ARE WITH THEM. IF THE TURKS ARE ALLOWED TO GO IN, THE TURKISH MADE IT CLEAR THEY ARE GOING TO INVADE THAT PART OF SYRIA AND PURSUE A MILITARY ASSAULT. THE LAST TIME WE FACED THIS WAS LAST YEAR, LAST DECEMBER, WHEN THE TURKS TOLD PRESIDENT TRUMP THEY THOUGHT HE SHOULD LEAVE. AND THE ROLE — THIS ROLE IS REVERSE. THE PRESSURE FROM SENATE REPUBLICANS. WHAT HAPPENS IN A MILITARY ASSAULT, THEY’RE GOING TO GO TARGET WHO THEY DEEM TO BE KURDISH TERRORISTS. THIS IS A DANGEROUS ATTEMPT. THE PKK, ALL KURDS DO NOT AFFILIATE WITH THEM, JUST AS NO ETHNIC GROUP OR RELIGIOUS GROUP SIDES WITH ONE EXTREME OR FACTION.>>SO MANY KURDS COULD END UP BEING KILLED?>>SO MANY. THE TURKS HAVE MADE THE CLAIM THEY WANT THIS AREA TO BE MADE STABLE SO MILLIONS OF REFUGEES COULD RETURN TO THE AREA. THE VERY FACT THEY VIEW THE KURDS THAT LIVE IN TURKEY AS REFUGEES IS ALREADY A PROBLEM. IT’S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.>>SO YOU MENTIONED SENATE REPUBLICANS, THIS TWEET FROM SENATOR MITT ROMNEY JUST A BIT AAGO. THE ADMINISTRATION MUST COME BEFORE CONGRESS AND EXPLAIN HOW BETRAYING AN ALLY AND SEEDING INFLUENCE TO TERRORISTS IS NOT DISASTROUS FOR OUR NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS. IS THIS A GIFT TO IRAN AND RUSSIA?>>YES. WITH SEEMINGLY NOTHING IN RETURN. CERTAINLY A GIFT TO THE TURKS, AND THE PART THAT’S EVEN WORSE IS, IT’S NOT JUST A GIFT TO THEM, IT DIRECTLY HAS AN IMPACT ON OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. >>HOW DO YOU MEAN?>>THIS MATTERS. SYRIA MATTERS, I KNOW I SOUND EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT, IT’S DEFINITELY A POINT — >>YOU WERE THERE FROM THE BEGINNING.>>IT MATTERS BECAUSE IT IS SURROUNDED BY U.S. PARTNERS AND ALLIES. JORDAN, ISRAEL, IRAQ. WHAT HAPPENS IN SYRIA MATTERS. EVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, OUR GOALS WERE VERY CLEAR. WE WANTED TO SUPPORT COUNTER TERRORISM EFFORTS AND COUNTER IRANIAN INFLUENCE. IF YOU LET THESE COUNTRIES MAKE A MUCK OF SYRIA, IT DIRECTLY UNDERMINES THE STABILITY OF OUR NEIGHBORS IT AND ISRAEL IN PARTICULAR, WHERE WE’RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO GO IN AND HELP THEM. IT’S JUST — IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE ANY WITCH WAY.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>THANKS FOR HAVING ME.>>DEMOCRATS SAY THE PRESIDENT’S ACTIONS ARE IMPEACHABLE. BUT ARE THEY ILLEGAL? ONE FORMER AMBASSADOR SAYS YES, HE JOINS ME LIVE. SOME AM DIDS FACING HEAT BACK HOME FOR THE RECESS. HOW THEY’RE DEFENDING THEIR DECISIONS.>>I>>>NOW, HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE WARNING THEY WILL SUBPOENA THREE ASSOCIATES OF RUDY GIULIANI IF THEY DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE IMPEACHMENT SUBPOENAS. I SUPPOSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT ADDING THAT PRESSURE FOR RUDY GIULIANI WHY?>>THE DEMOCRATS SENT A LETTER TO THREE ASSOCIATES ASKING THEM TO TURN OVER DOCUMENTS BY TODAY AND CALLING FOR THEIR DEPOSITIONS TO OCCUR THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK. WE ARE TOLD FROM AN OFFICIAL THAT THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN COMPLIANCE YET, AND DEMOCRATS ARE WARNING THEY WILL SUBPOENA FOR THEIR APPEARANCE IF THEY DO NOT GET COMPLIANCE. A SOURCE TELLS ME THAT WHILE WE HAVE ENGAGED IN COUNCILS FOR THESE WITNESSES, THEY HAVE SO FAR REFUSED TO TESTIFY OR TURN OVER THE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS, THEY CONTINUE TO FAIL TO COMPLY. OF COURSE, THIS IS THE LATEST ESCALATION. THE OFFICE OF WHITE HOUSE MANAGEMENT BUDGET, ALSO THE MORE DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE UKRAINE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS HEADED. THE QUESTION IS, WILL THEY GET COMPLIANCE? DEMOCRATS AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CONTINUE TO FIGHT OVER THESE SUBPOENAS, WE’LL SEE IF THEY GET ANYTHING TURNED OVER. IF THEY DON’T HAVE COMPLIANCE, IT MAY BE AN ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT IN ITSELF.>>>A MODERATE DEMOCRAT CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF IMPEACHMENT GOT AN EARFUL.>>WE WANT ANSWERS.>>OKAY, I’M GOING TO CONTINUE TALKING — >>WE DON’T WANT LIES.>>IF YOU INTERRUPT ME AGAIN — I’M GOING TO TAKE QUESTIONS.>>YOU HEAR THESE CONSTITUENTS SHOUTING AT ALYSSA SLOTKIN. WHO FACED QUESTIONS. >>MYSELF AND SIX OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FRESHMAN CLASS IN CONGRESS, ALL FORMER MILITARY OR CIA WROTE A JOIN OP ED AND CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. AND I WANTED YOU TO KNOW FROM ME — I WANTED YOU TO KNOW FROM ME — [ APPLAUSE ]>>WHEN YOU FELL OFF THE CLIFF FOR ME IS WHEN YOU JOINED — >>THIS IS A SERIOUS THING. THIS COULD ONLY BE THE THIRD PRESIDENT IN HISTORY TOE BE IMPEACHED. AND TO BE IMPEACHED OVER SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS REALLY STRETCHING. >>JEFF ZELLENNY IS OUR SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT. YOU KNOW THE CONGRESSWOMAN IS LISTENING TO HER CONSTITUENTS, MIGHT THIS SWAY HER AT ALL?>>THE QUESTION IS, ALL OF THESE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE FACING THIS EXACT SAME THING AND WEIGHING THE APPLAUSE VERSUS WEIGHING THE BOOS FROM A FEW PEOPLE SHOWS US ONE THING, IT SHOWS THE COUNTRY IS DEEPLY DIVIDED ON PARTISAN LINES WHICH WE KNOW ALREADY. IT’S ONE REASON ALYSSA SLOTKIN WAS ONE OF THE LAST DEMOCRATS TO SAY SHE SUPPORTS AN INQUIRY HERE. IT MAY CAUSE SOME DEMOCRATS THEIR SEATS AND IT MAY COST REPUBLICANS THEIR SEATS FOR THEIR SILENCE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SO MANY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS I SPOKE TO ON BOTH SIDES ARE UNCERTAIN ABOUT THIS, IT’S CLEAR SOME DEMOCRATS ARE UNEASY GOING DOWN THIS ROAD, THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. WE’LL SEE HOW THAT ALL ENDS UP, IT’S IMPORTANT TO PUT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS IN CONTEXT. AS JONI ERNST OF IOWA HAD SOMEONE SHOUT AT HER THE OTHER DAY, SHE HAD A LOT OF APPLAUSE AS WELL. THIS IS A LONG PROCESS IN A DEEPLY DIVIDED COUNTRY. THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THE RIGHT THING HERE, WE’LL SEE HOW THAT FALLS DOWN ON THE LINE. WE SHOULD GIVE HER CREDIT FOR HAVING A TOWN MEETING, SO MANY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE STOPPED THAT TRADITION.>>THANK YOU.>>SURE.>>>IS THE NBA PUTTING PROFITS OVER HUMAN RIGHTS? THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE HOUSTON ROCKETS

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