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>>>PRESIDENT TRUMP CHANGES THE FOCUS FROM UKRAINE BY ABANDONING U.S. ALLIES IN SYRIA. “THE LEAD” STARTS RIGHT NOW. BREAKING TODAY, THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION EXPANDING, THE NEW SUBPOENAS TARGETING THE PENTAGON AS HOUSE DEMOCRATS TRY TO GET THE FULL STORY ON PRESIDENT TRUMP LEANING ON UKRAINE FOR ELECTION HELP. THE SOUNDS OF SILENCE. WHY SO MANY REPUBLICANS ARE REFUSING TO STEP UP AND SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT IS ASKING FOREIGN POWERS TO INVESTIGATE HIS DOMESTIC POLITICAL OPPONENTS IS JUST WRONG. BUT THE PRESIDENT’S BIGGEST DEFENDER IN THE SENATE IS SLAMMING HIS DECISION TODAY TO PULL TROOPS OUT OF NORTHERN SYRIA. TOP REPUBLICANS NOW FEARING THE MOVE IS GOING TO LEAVE ALLIES TO DIE AND IS A GIFT TO RUSSIA. WELCOME TO “THE LEAD.” I’M JAKE TAPPER. WE START WITH THE POLITICS LEAD AND THE STRATEGY OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND ALLIES OF SPINNING, DISMISSING AND OUTRIGHT LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON FULL DISPLAY TODAY AS THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION EXPANDS. DEMOCRATS SLAP BRAND-NEW SUBPOENAS ON THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. TODAY THE THREE HOUSE COMMITTEES LEADING THE CHARGE ON IMPEACHMENT, INTELLIGENCE, OVERSIGHT AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS SUBPOENAED BOTH THE PRESIDENT’S DEFENSE SECRETARY AND HIS BUDGET CHIEF, NOT ONLY DEMANDING DOCUMENTS ABOUT HIS INTERACTIONS WITH UKRAINE AND HIS WITH HOLDING OF HUNDREDS OF MILLION DOLLARS IN MILITARY AID FOR UKRAINE AND ALSO INFORMATION ON THE RUDY GIULIANI AND THE WAYS IN WHICH GIULIANI PRESSURED UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS TO INVESTIGATE JOE AND HUNTER BIDEN ON BEHALF OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. KAITLAN COLLINS KICKS OFF OUR COVERAGE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. >>Reporter: AS HOUSE DEMOCRATS RAMPED UP PEACH TO– THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY TODAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP TRIED TO TURN THE FIRE STORM AROUND ON THEM. ACCUSING HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI OF TREASON. INSISTING SHE’S THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE, NOT HIM. THOUGH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CAN’T BE IMPEACHED. THE PRESIDENT IS SHIFTING HIS DEFENSE. STILL INSISTING THAT CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT WAS PERFECT. BUT NOW CLAIMING IT WAS ENERGY SECRETARY RICK PERRY WHO URGED HIM TO CALL ZELENSKY. >>ABSOLUTELY, I ASKED THE PRESIDENT MULTIPLE TIMES, MR. PRESIDENT WE THINK IT IS IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN UKRAINE’S BEST INTEREST. >>PERRY SAID HE WANTS TRUMP TO CALL ZELENSKY, ABOUT ENERGY, NOT THE BIDENS.>>NOT ONCE, NOT ONCE AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, NOT ONCE WAS A BIDEN NAME, NOT THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OR HIS SON EVER MENTIONED. >>Reporter: THE ENERGY SECRETARY WASN’T ON THE JULY CALL AT THE CENTER OF THE IMPEACHMENT PROBE BUT DEMOCRATS MAY STILL WANT TO TALK TO HIM. IN ADDITION TO THE NEW SUBPOENAS FOR THE PENTAGON AND BUDGET OFFICE TODAY ABOUT THAT HOLD ON THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY AID PACKAGE, TWO MORE KEY WITNESSES ARE EXPECTED TO TESTIFY THIS WEEK. THE PRESIDENT SPENT THE WEEKEND FIRING OFF DOZENS OF TWEETS. AS REPUBLICANS STRUGGLE TO DEFEND HIS ACTIONS.>>WHEN I ASKED THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THAT, HE COMPLETELY DENIED IT. HE ADAMANTLY DENIED IT AND VEHEMENTLY ANGRILY DENIED IT. HE SAID I WOULDN’T DO THAT. >>Reporter: NOT A SINGLE WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL WENT ON TELEVISION ON SUNDAY LEAVING THE TASK UP TO REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS WHO STRUGGLED WITH THIS SHAKY DEFENSE.>>YOU REALLY THINK HE WAS SERIOUS ABOUT THINKING THAT CHINA IS GOING TO INVESTIGATE THE BIDEN FAMILY?>>EVEN THE WHITE HOUSE HASN’T CLAIMED TRUMP WAS KIDDING WHEN HE SUGGESTED CHINA SHOULD INVESTIGATE THE BIDEN. >>I DON’T KNOW HOW TO — [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>Reporter: AND CNN CONFIRMED DURING A SENIOR STAFF MEETING MICK MULVANEY PREDICTED IF PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES GET IMPEACHED BY THE HOUSE HE WILL WIN 45 STATES IN THE 2020 ELECTION. IT WAS A STATEMENT THAT SURPRISED SOME OFFICIALS IN THE ROOM AND THAT IS CONFIRMING AXIOS REPORTING BUT FOLLOWED CNN REPORTING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SENSITIVE TO THE IDEAS THEY WERE FORMING SOME KIND OF AN IMPEACHMENT RESPONSE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, CONVERSATIONS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW MICK MULVANEY WAS PART OF. >>KAITLAN COLLINS AT THE WHITE HOUSE. THANKS SO MUCH. >>>LET’S CHEW OVER THIS WITH OUR EXPERTS. CHAIRMAN RODGERS, YOU LED THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND PART OF THE SUBPOENA FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE INCLUDES DOCUMENTS RELATED TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT AND, QUOTE, THE IDENTITY OF ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO LISTENED TO, PARTICIPATED IN, ASSISTED IN PREPARATION FOR AND TRANSCRIBED, TOOK NOTES DURING, REVIEWED THE CALL RECORD OR TRANSCRIPT OR RECEIVED INFORMATION, UNQUOTE. SO BREAK THAT DOWN FOR US. WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS LOOKING FOR HERE?>>WELL THEY’RE GOING TO TRY TO SUBSTANTIATE WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED ON THE CALL. THE PART THAT WAS RELEASED WAS SOMEONE’S INTERPRETATION OF THE CALL. IT WAS NOT A TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL. SO THEY’RE GOING TO LOOK FOR THE TRANSCRIPT. AND THEY WANT TO TALK TO PEOPLE AROUND THE CALL? WAS THAT WHEN YOU FIRST HAD ANY SUSPICION SOMETHING WAS FUNNY GOING ON AND WAS THAT — ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND MY GUESS IS THAT LIST WAS GENERATED BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER CANDIDLY. SO THAT WHISTLE-BLOWER LIKELY GAVE NAMES OF SOMEBODY THAT FITS THOSE DESCRIPTIONS AND THAT SUBPOENA INCLUDES WHO THE WHISTLE-BLOWER BELIEVED WOULD HAVE FURTHER INFORMATION AND PROBABLY SUPPORTED THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AS COMPLAINT WOULD BE MY GUESS. >>AND JEN, A SECOND WHISTLE-BLOWER NOW ACCORDING TO MARK ZAID THE ATTORNEY FOR BOTH AND HE SAID THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER WENT TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND HAS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE AND HE DOESN’T NEED TO FILE A SEPARATE COMPLAINT AND IT IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT BUT BACKS IT UP.>>RIGHT. AND I THINK AS MIKE WAS SAYING, AS MUCH AS THEY COULD MAKE THIS ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER THE FACTS AND THE DETAILS OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, IT BECOMES LESS ABOUT THE PERSONALITY OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER. I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE ASSUMING THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S NAME WILL BECOME PUBLIC. WE CERTAINLY HOPE NOT. BUT THAT WILL LIKELY HAPPEN. AND IT WILL BECOME A CHARACTER ASSASSINATION EFFORT AGAINST THEM. BUT IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHICH THERE SEEM TO BE — THAT SEEMS TO BE BUILDING WHO ARE PUTTING TOGETHER THE DETAILS AND FIRSTHAND WITNESSES WITH SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THE RELATIONSHIPS, THE CONVERSATIONS WITH GIULIANI, THE CALL, IT BECOMES LESS — IT BECOMES MUCH MORE CHALLENGE — CHALLENGING TO MAKE THIS AGAINST THE WHISTLE-BLOWER. >>AND THEY ARE DEMANDING DOCUMENTS FROM THE PENTAGON THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RUDY GIULIANI AND WHETHER HE PRESSED UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS TO INVESTIGATE AMONG OTHER THINGS, QUOTE, MATTERS RELATED TO BURISMA HOLDINGS, THAT IS THE GAS COMPANY THAT HUNTER BIDEN WAS AN ADVISER. PAUL MANAFORT, JOSEPH BIDEN, HILLARY CLINTON AND OR ANY U.S. PERSONS OR ENTITIES. DEMOCRATS WARNING THEY MIGHT SUBPOENA THREE OF GIULIANI’S ASSOCIATES IF THEY DON’T COOPERATE. SO THEY’RE REALLY GOING AFTER RUDY RIGHT NOW. >>RIGHT. BECAUSE WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. WE JUST DON’T KNOW WHAT RUDY GIULIANI’S ROLE HAS BEEN. IS HE PRIVATE CITIZEN? IS HE STATE DEPARTMENT ENVOY? IS HE ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT AND TRYING TO HIDE BEHIND HIS RELATIONSHIP AS AN ATTORNEY WITH THE PRESIDENT TO GET OUT OF HAVING TO SUBMIT DOCUMENTS BUT A LOT OF THESE ARE GETTING AT THE FACT THAT RUDY GIULIANI IS A CORE FIGURE IN THIS, THAT GOING BACK TO A NUMBER OF TIES TO UKRAINE AND SO ON. AND SO IT IS VERY MUCH IN THEIR INTEREST TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN FIND OUT. AND IT IS VERY NARROWLY TAILORED AND THIS IS NOT A SCATTER SHOT OF REQUESTS FOR RUDY GIULIANI, THEY’VE ITERATED EVERYTHING THEY NEED AND WILL SEE WHAT TURNS UP.>>AND RUDY GIULIANI HAS BEEN OUT THERE WITH A LOT OF UNSUN STAN SHE A– UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS AND BARR WERE TELLING THEM OFF THE RECORD THEY WERE ANNOYED WITH WHAT RUDY WAS DOING BUT NOW IT SEEMS THE ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS ARE KIND OF FOLLOWING RUDY DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES. >>YEAH, IT IS INTERESTING. I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IT IS INTEREST TO WATCH HOW POMPEO HAS REACTED TO THIS. BECAUSE, YEAH, YOU DIDN’T GET A SENSE UP UNTIL THIS MOMENT THAT MIKE POMPEO AND RUDY GIULIANI WERE IN LOCK STEP ON WHAT WAS GOING ON AND IF RUDY GIULIANI WOULD BE SOME STATE DEPARTMENT ENVOY BUT THE WAY POMPEO HAS RESPONDED, THE WAY HE’S GOTTEN HIS BACK UP, HE’S BRISTLED AT THE REQUESTS, I THINK THAT DOES KIND OF PUT HIM RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE PRESIDENT AND WITH RUDY GIULIANI. IT IS TELLING, THAT IS NOT HOW EVERYONE ACROSS THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS RESPONDED. BUT IT CERTAINLY TELLS YOU WHERE MIKE POMPEO IS IN ALL OF THIS. >>AND ELLIOTT, BECAUSE OF THE PHONE CALL, COULD THE WHITE HOUSE MAKE ANY LEGAL CASE AGAINST TURNING OVER THE DOCUMENTS, EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. >>THEY ARE TRYING. AND THE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS ENTITLED TO PRIVILEGE AROUND CONVERSATIONS CORE TO THE FUNCTIONS OF THE PRESIDENCY OR WHATEVER. BUT THEY’VE EXPANDING THE DEFINITION OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. TO THE FIRST DAYS THAT ALMOST — RUDY GIULIANI IS CLAIMED EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE EVEN THOUGH HE’S NOT EVEN A WHITE HOUSE EMPLOYEE. NOW THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY ARE — THE ADMINISTRATION IS FLIRTING WITH ANOTHER IMPEACHMENT ARTICLE FOR OBSTRUCTING THE INQUIRY IF THEY DON’T — IF IT IS FOUND THAT THERE ARE CLAIMS OF PRIVILEGE ARE LAWLESS OR GONE TOO FAR, THEN CONGRESS COULD JUST FILE ANOTHER ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT FOR OBSTRUCTION. >>AND CONGRESSMAN RODGERS, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF AXIOS THAT MICK MULVANEY SAID IF IMPEACHMENT GOES FORWARD IT IS GOOD FOR HIM AND HE COULD END UP WINNING 45 STATES IN THE 2020 ELECTION. DO A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THINK THAT?>>NO, BUT I WILL SAY THAT OUTSIDE OF THE BUBBLE OF WASHINGTON, D.C., PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED BY ALL OF THIS. AND IF THEY’RE NOT TUNED IN, THEY THINK IT IS POLITICAL. AND I THINK YOU’RE SEEING THAT. I SAW A CLIP ON CNN WHERE A DEMOCRAT MEMBER WENT BACK AND WAS GETTING GUFF FROM HER CONSTITUENTS. THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND THE SAME WAY REPUBLICANS SAY THIS IS ALL POLITICAL, HELP ME GET RE-ELECTED TO FIGHT THIS CAUSE AND PEOPLE RALLY TO THAT. IT IS GRANULAR FOR EVERYONE AT THIS TABLE AND PEOPLE INSIDE OF D.C. BUT PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING THEIR KIDS ON THE BUS AND MAKING SURE THEY HAVE A JOB LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN MICHIGAN TODAY, IT DOESN’T HAVE THAT SAME WEIGHT. IT IS A PARTISAN FIGHT, NOT A SUBSTANTIVE FIGHT. UNTIL THAT CHANGES, I THINK PEOPLE — IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON POLITICS, I’M NOT SURE IT WILL TURN OUT THE WAY MICK MULVANEY PREDICTED BUT I DO THINK IT WILL HAVE A POLITIC IMPACT. >>IF YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE EL ISA SLOT KIN, SHE DID RAISE THE POINT AND GOT SOME FLACK BUT WHEN SHE SAID STANDING UP FOR OATH OF OFFICE SHE GOT 25 SECONDS OF APPLAUSE FROM THE AUDIENCE. SO YES, THERE IS THE PARTISAN ELEMENT BUT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO DON’T SWEAR AN OATH TO CONSTITUENTS, THEY SWEAR AN OATH TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. >>AND I’VE BEEN TO LOTS AND LOTS OF TOWN HALLS, ARE HARDLY INDICATORS OF WHERE — PEOPLE COME BECAUSE THEY ARE ANGRY AND VERY RARELY DO THEY COME BECAUSE THEY ARE HAPPY. >>STICK AROUND. WE’LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS. AND A FOURTH SENATOR REPUBLICAN JUST SPOKE OUT ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKING CHINA AND UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS. IS THIS THE BEGINNING OF SOMETHING THEN, PRESIDENT TRUMP MAKING A MAJOR MOVE HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD>>>WE’RE BACK WITH THE POLITICS LEAD. THIS AFTERNOON A FOURTH SENATE REPUBLICAN CALLED OUT TO A DEGREE PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR PUSHING CHINA AND UKRAINE TO DOMESTIC HIS RIVAL JOE BIDEN AND ROB PORTMAN OF OHIO SAID THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE RAISED THE BIDEN ISSUE ON THAT CALL, PERIOD. MILD, SURE. BUT MOST REPUBLICANS REMAIN UNWILLING TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. WHEN UTAH SENATOR MITT ROMNEY CRITICIZED HIM, TRUMP ATTACKED HIM AND THAT IS SERVING AS AN EXAMPLE TO OTHERS IN THE GOP.>>Reporter: MOST REPUBLICANS ARE SO UNSURE ABOUT HOW TO PLAY THIS, THEY’RE IN VIRTUAL HIDING. AND THE FEW WHO ARE SPEAKING OUT, WELL, LISTEN TO HOUSE GOP LEADER KEVIN McCARTHY THIS MORNING. >>YOU WATCH WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. HE’S NOT SAYING CHINA — >>Reporter: ACTUALLY, HE DID.>>CHINA SHOULD START AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE BIDENS. >>Reporter: SOME REPUBLICANS TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT WITH DEFLECTION, CLAIMING TRUMP WAS JUST KIDDING. >>WELL I DOUBT IF THE — THE CHINA COMMENT WAS SERIOUS TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. >>Reporter: CNN CONTACTED MORE THAN 80 GOP CONGRESSIONAL OFFICES ABOUT THE PRESIDENT INVITING CHINA TO INVESTIGATE HIS POLITICAL RIVAL. BARELY A HANDFUL RESPONDED. MOST NOTABLY, MITT ROMNEY WHO SAID THE PRESIDENT’S BRAZEN AND UNPRECEDENTED APPEAL TO CHINA AND TO UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN IS WRONG AND APPALLING. IN RESPONSE, THE PRESIDENT WENT AFTER ROMNEY CALLING HIM POMPOUS AND A FOOL. CLEARLY INTENDED AS A WARNING TO OTHER REPUBLICANS WEIGHING WHETHER TO SPEAK OUT. IT DIDN’T STOP MAINE’S SUSAN COLLINS WHO DID CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENT. WHICH PLAYS WELL WITH DEMOCRATS. SHE NEEDS TO WIN RE-ELECTION IN HER BLUE STATE AND SAID THE PRESIDENT MADE A BIG MISTAKE BY ASKING CHINA TO GET INVOLVED IN INVESTIGATING A POLITICAL OPPONENT. BUT SHE ALSO ECHOED TRUMP’S LOYALIST POMMELING THE HOUSE DEMOCRAT LEADING THE IMPEACHMENT PROBE. >>THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE MISREPRESENTED AND MISLED PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE TRANSCRIPT. >>Reporter: MITCH McCONNELL ALSO ON THE BALLOT IN 2020 IS RAISING MONEY FOR HIS KENTUCKY RACE WITH THE PROMISE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT.>>ALL OF YOU KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. THE WAY THAT IMPEACHMENT TOPS IS WHEN THE SENATE MAJORITY WITH ME AS MAJORITY LEADER — >>Reporter: McCONNELL’S CAMPAIGN AIDES ARGUE THAT IMPEACHMENT IS GALVANIZING THE GOP BASE AS MUCH AS THE 2018 KAVANAUGH NOMINATION WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO SEVERAL DEMOCRATIC SENATE DEFEATS. COLLIN POWELL ALL BUT CALLED REPUBLICANS COWARDLY. >>THEY NEED TO GET A GRIP AND WHEN THEY SEE THINGS THAT ARE NOT RIGHT, THEY NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.>>Reporter: SOME REPUBLICANS LIKE ROB PORTMAN OF OHIO ARE NOW STARTING TO FOLLOW A ROAD MAP LAID OUT BY FOX’S TUCKER CARLSON WHO PENNED AN OP-ED ADMITTING THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE ENCOURAGED A FOREIGN PLEADER TO INVESTIGATE HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT BUT THAT IS NOT A IMPEACHMENT DEFENSE. >>AND HE THINKS THE PRESIDENT’S CALL TO UKRAINE LEADER AND COMMENTS ABOUT CHINA WERE, QUOTE, TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. BUT HE ALSO TOLD ME HE ISN’T READY TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT HE’S NOT SURE, HE SAID IF THERE IS, QUOTE, ANOTHER JACK IN THE BOX OUT THERE. SO HE’S RELUCTANT TO GO TOO FAR IN DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT AND TOLD ME HIS COLLEAGUES TELL HIM THEY AGREE. >>DANA BASH, THANK YOU.>>>JEN PSAKI, LET ME GO TO THE QUOTE WE HEARD FROM A CAMPAIGN CONSULTANT FOR MITCH McCONNELL ON THE BALLOT NEXT NOVEMBER. QUOTE, NO ISSUE HAS MOTIVATED REPUBLICAN DONORS LIKE THIS SINCE BRETT KAVANAUGH. ARE YOU AFRAID OF THAT? I KNOW YOU SUPPORT IMPEACHING — OR THE INVESTIGATION AT LEAST. ARE YOU AFRAID ON BEHALF OF DEMOCRATS THAT THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT GALVANIZE THE REPUBLICAN BASE?>>I’M CERTAIN IT WILL GALVANIZE A PORTION OF THE BASE. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT McCONNELL IS RUNNING IN KENTUCKY. HE IS UP FOR RE-ELECTION AS YOU MENTIONED IN 2020. THAT IS A STATE WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS INCREDIBLY POPULAR. I’M NOT SAYING IT IS AN EASY HURDLE FOR DEMOCRATS TO DEFEAT HIM. BUT DEMOCRATS HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CANDIDATE. AND THEY’RE RAISING A LOT OF MONEY ON THINGS LIKE SELLING MOSCOW MITCH MATERIAL. SO HE’S FEELING SOME HEAT ON THE GROUND. WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME ABOUT THE STORY AND SOME OF THE REPORTING ON THIS IS THAT THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY ONLINE WHICH IS SMART. DIGITALLY. IT IS NOT THE SAME MESSAGE THAT MITCH McCONNELL IS DELIVERING ABOUT HOW HE WILL APPROACH THE PROCESS HERE. HE’S SAYING I’LL STOP IMPEACHMENT ONLINE, APPEALING TO THE BASE TO TRY TO RAISE MONEY. BUT HERE HE’S SAYING AISLE ABIDE BY THE SENATE PROCESS. THAT IS SMART POLITICALLY AND I’M NOT SCARE, MITCH McCONNELL IS RUNNING IN A RED STATE AND IF HE WANTS TO KEEP THE — BE THE MAJORITY LEADERS HE NEEDS TO KEEP HIS SEAT AS WELL. >>AND CHAIRMAN ROGERS, IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE ALL THAT DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT NO POLITICIAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO LEAN ON A FOREIGN COUNTRY FOR AN INVESTIGATION INTO THEIR POLITICAL RIVAL. THIS IS NOT SOME CRAZY REVELATION. THAT WOULD JUST BE COMPLETE CHAOS AND THE END OF FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES AND YET WE ONLY HAVE FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS OUT OF 53 THAT ARE EVEN WILLING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT IS WRONG.>>WELL, I THINK THEY ARE PROBABLY INTERNALLY ACKNOWLEDGING — >>PUBLICLY, . >>AND THEY WOULD BE WISE TO COME OUT AND TALK WE THINK THIS BEHAVIOR IS INAPPROPRIATE AND WE’RE GOING TO TALK TO THE PRESIDENT ABOUT IT. WE THINK HE OUGHT TO GO IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND THEN GO OFF ON TO THE POSITIVE MESSAGE OF ALL OF THE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING. I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS. I DON’T THINK BEING SILENT FOR MUCH LONGER IS A GOOD PATH FOR THEM. THEY WILL GET QUESTIONS BACK HOME. THEY’RE GOING TO GET QUESTIONS HERE. YOU MIGHT AS WELL TAKE IT ON — HEAD ON. AND AGAIN YOU DON’T HAVE TO THROW THE PRESIDENT UNDER THE BUS IF YOUR ONE OF THE REPUBLICANS, YOU HAVE JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS PARTICULAR ACTIVITY AND THIS PARTICULAR — HIS EXPRESSION TO DO THESE THINGS, WHICH BY THE WAY I THINK ARE TERRIBLE AND COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE, THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME VERSION OF THAT. SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, LISTEN, WE DON’T THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE. IT SHOULDN’T BE THE NORM. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE’RE GOING TO SAY IS OKAY IN THE FUTURE AND WE’LL TAKE UP THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT AND TRY TO STEER HIM IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. >>AND ANOTHER PHENOMENON, REPUBLICANS EITHER OUTRIGHT DENYING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID WHAT HE SAID AND KEVIN McCARTHY SAYING HE DIDN’T CALL FOR CHINA TO INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS, THAT IS ALMOST A WORD-FOR-WORD QUOTE AND OTHER PEOPLE SAYING HE WAS JUST JOKING. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE WAS JOKING. >>TREATING PEOPLE LIKE THEY ARE MORON IS NOT THE BEST STRATEGY AS REPUBLICANS ARE CRAFTING THE STRATEGYING AND IT IS ALARMING WHEN TUCKER CARLSON IS OUT THERE WITH THE BEST MESSAGING YET FOR REPUBLICANS WHICH IS TO SAY THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS. WE NEED TO HAVE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS AND YOU NEED TO BEHAVE LIKE WE HAVE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS BUT THIS ISN’T WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT. THIS IS THE TUCKER CARLSON LINE AND THE BEST ONE ANYBODY HAS COME UP WITH SO FAR BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN INSIGHT INTO HOW TERRIFIED THE PARTY IS FROM THE PRESIDENT. MITT ROMNEY SAID THIS BEHAVIOR WAS APPALLING AND THE PRESIDENT LOST HIS MIND AND SPENT THE WEEKEND TWEETING AT MITT ROMNEY WHILE HE WAS AT A PUMPKIN PATCH WITH HIS GRANDKIDS LIVING HIS DREAM. SO I THINK THERE ARE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE LEGIT MALLY AFRAID OF THE TWEET AND AFRAID OF WHAT IT WILL DO TO FUNDING AND THE BASE AND THAT IS WHY THE SILENCE. >>AND SO IF IT WAS A JOKE LIKE MARCO RUBIO HAVE NOW BEEN TWEETING THIS. THIS IS WHAT RUBIO TWEETED TODAY. POTUS ASKING CHINA TO INVESTIGATE BIDEN IS WRONG BUT IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN. HOW CAN HE ASSERT THAT? WHY DOES HE GET THAT FROM?>>THAT IS NOW THE FOURTH APPROACH THEY’VE SAID. FIRST WAS HE WAS JOKING AND SECOND IS THE DEMOCRATS ARE PARTISAN AND THIRD IT WAS OKAY AND NOW IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU ARE SEEING SIMPLY THEY DON’T HAVE A STRATEGY HERE. A COHERENT STRATEGY. SO COMPARE THIS TO THE DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE NANCY PELOSI AND ADAM SCHIFF DOING PRESS CONFERENCES ALONE WITH A VERY TARGETED AND NARROW MESSAGE FOR WHERE THEY ARE GOING AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE AGAIN AS SARAH SAID, THEY ARE JUST AFRAID OF THE PRESIDENT. HE HAS A STRANGLE HOLD ON THE PARTY AND I THINK FRANKLY WHAT YOU’RE SEEING IS THE DEATH OF THE NORTHEASTERN MODERATE AND SORT OF THE VOICE WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT WOULD HAVE CHALLENGED THE PRESIDENT 20 YEARS AGO, IT IS NOT THERE ANY MORE. >>STICK AROUND. NONL NONE OF HIS . >>>AND ALSO IN OUR POLITIC LEAD, PRESIDENT TRUMP ON ANOTHER TWITTER TERROR SLAMMING EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING SURROUNDING THE IMPEACHMENT, THE BIDENS, THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND ADAM SCHIFF AND ADDING TO HIS LONG LIST OF LIES AND FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT ALL OF THESE SUBJECTS. CNN’S DANIEL DALE FACT CHECKS TRUMP FOR A LIVING AND HE JOINS ME NOW. HE TWEETED THE FIRST SO-CALLED SECONDHAND INFORMATION WHISTLE-BLOWER GOT MY PHONE CONVERSATION ALMOST COMPLETELY WRONG AND ANOTHER WHISTLE-BLOWER IS COMING IN FROM THE DEEP STATE ALSO WITH SECONDHAND INFO. THERE IS A LOT TO UNPACK. BUT START WITH THE IDEA, IS THE WHISTLE-BLOWER CLAIM COMPLETELY WRONG AS THE PRESIDENT SAID?>>NOT AT ALL, JAKE. THE WHISTLE-BLOWER HAD A THREE BULLET POINT LIST ABOUT THIS CALL AND ALL THREE OF THE BULLET POINTS WERE CORROBORATED BY THE TRANSCRIPT OR THE RAW TRANSCRIPT RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE. SO LET’S GO THROUGH ALL THREE. NUMBER ONE WAS THAT TRUMP PUSHED UKRAINE’S PRESIDENT TO INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS. >>TRUE. >>TRUMP PUSHED THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE THIS DEBUNKED UKRAINE SERVER CONSPIRACY THEORY, CORRECT AND HE PUSHED ZELENSKY TO SPEAK TO RUDY GIULIANI AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR AND THAT IS CORRECT AND THE ONE CAVEAT, TRUMP SEEMS TO TAKE ISSUE WITH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER SAYING THIS WAS PRESSURE. TRUMP SAID IT WAS A FRIENDLY TALK OR A FRIENDLY QUESTION. SO HE COULD QUIBBLE WITH THE PRESSURE BUT THE TERMS OF THE SUBSTANCE, ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED. >>NOT TO MENTION THE WHITE HOUSE ACKNOWLEDGED ON BACKGROUND THE TRANSCRIPT WAS THEN PUT IN THE SECRET FILE SERVER ALREADY IN THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT. AND TRUMP TWEETED THAT HE THINKS NANCY PELOSI AND SCHIFF SHOULD BE IMPEACHED. >>AS YOU KNOW THERE IS NO IMPEACHMENT FOR MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE. THEY CAN DO IMPEACHING OF OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THE PRESIDENT. THEY COULD BE EXPELLED BUT NOT IMPEACHED. AND TRUMP ALSO GOT WRONG THE REASONS THAT HE SAID THOSE TWO SHOULD BE IMPEACHED, FOR TREASON AND NOTHING THEY’VE DONE APPROACHED THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF TREASON AND SCHIFF ILLEGALLY MET WITH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER. IT IS ROUTINE FOR THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TO MEET WITH POTENTIAL WHISTLE-BLOWERS. NOTHING ABOUT THIS IS ILLEGAL AT ALL. >>AND LASTLY THE PRESIDENT REFERENCED THE PICTURE OF JOE BIDEN GOLFING. LET’S PUT IT UP THERE IF WE CAN WHICH WAS ALSO MISLEADING. >>IT WAS. SO TRUMP SAID THAT THIS PHOTO SHOWED JOE BIDEN GOLFING WITH THE QUOTE, COMPANY BOSS OF BURISMA, THE UKRAINE NATIONAL GAS FIRM DEVON ARCHER WAS A LONG TIME BUSINESS ASSOCIATE OF HUNTER BIDEN ALSO ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS LIKE HUNTER BIDEN AND A BOARD MEMBER IS NOT THE COMPANY BOSS SO AGAIN TRUMP MISIDENTIFIED SOMEONE TO TRY TO SERVE HIS POLITICAL PURPOSES. >>IT IS ALMOST AS IF HE DOESN’T HAVE A HIGH REGARD FOR FACTS — >>ALMOST, JAKE. >>DANIEL DALE, THANK YOU. >>>BREAKING NEWS, WE JUST LEARNED ABOUT THE EXTREME MEASURES HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE USING TO PROTECT THE IDENTITY OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER. WHAT ARE THE MEASURE GAIN.>>>WELCOME TO THE SPECIAL EDITION OF “THE LEAD,” WHITE HOUSE IN CRISIS AND I’M JAKE TAPPER AND ANOTHER HISTORIC DAY IN WASHINGTON WHERE NORMS ARE BEING ERODED AND FACTS TRAMPLED UPON. PRESIDENT TRUMP TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN ESSENCE, IGNORE ALL OF THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH, INCLUDING HIS OWN WORDS AND THOSE OF HIS AIDES WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRESIDENT’S CLEAR USE OF HIS PRESIDENCY TO PUSH FOREIGN LEADERS TO INVESTIGATE HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON HUNTER. LAST NIGHT FURTHER EVIDENCE EMERGED THAT SUCH AN INVESTIGATION WAS PART OF A QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY AND THE AIDES IN TEXTS CLEARLY PUSHING ZELENSKY TO PUBLICLY COMMIT TO AN INVESTIGATION INTO BURISMA, THE GAS FIRM THAT ONCE EMPLOYED HUNTER BIDEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT WOULD AGREE TO A WHITE HOUSE VISIT FOR ZELENSKY, ONE THAT ZELENSKY DESPERATELY WANTED.>>WHEN THIS CAME OUT, IT WAS QUID PRO QUO. WELL THERE WAS NONE. THERE IS NO QUID PRO QUO. THERE IS NO QUID PRO QUO. THERE IS NO PRO-QUO. >>REPEATING THE DENIAL OF A QUID PRO QUO WHICH IS SOMETHING EXCHANGED WITH THE EXPECTATION OF RECEIVING SOMETHING IN RETURN, REPEATING IT DOESN’T MAKE IT ANY TRUER. ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FIRST WITNESS IN THE UKRAINE SCANDAL HANDED OVER STUNNING TEXT MESSAGE EXCHANGES TO CONGRESS IN WHICH A TOP U.S. DIPLOMAT IN UKRAINE WROTE, QUOTE, AS I SAID ON THE PHONE, I THINK IT IS CRAZY TO WITHHOLD SECURITY ASSISTANCE FOR HELP WITH A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, UNQUOTE. PRESIDENT TRUMP TODAY CONTINUED TO DENY THAT IT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR A PRESIDENT TO PUSH FOR DIRT ON POLITICAL OPPONENTS. HE CALLED IT AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK INTO CORRUPTION. BUT WHEN ASKED TODAY ABOUT A REPORTER IF HE COULD NAME ONE OTHER TIME — ONE OTHER TIME THAT HE PUSHED FOR AN INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGED OR INVENTED CORRUPTION, NOT OF A POLITICAL OPPONENT, WELL, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THIS — >>YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK — >>WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK. THE PRESIDENT SAID. GEORGE ORWELL WROTE IN 1984, PARTY TOLD YOU TO REJECT THE EVIDENCE OF YOUR EYES AND EARS, IT WAS THEIR FINAL MOST ESSENTIAL COMMAND, UNQUOTE. A PHILOSOPHY THAT IS THE APPARENT WHITE HOUSE STRATEGY FOR THIS SCANDAL OR AS PRESIDENT TRUMP ONCE PUT IT — >>JUST REMEMBER WHAT YOU’RE SEEING AND WHAT YOU’RE READING IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING.>>ACTUALLY, IT IS. AND TODAY THE FIRST CRACK IN THE REPUBLICAN VENEER OF SOLIDARITY WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, REPUBLICAN SENATOR MITT ROMNEY OF UTAH SAYING, QUOTE, THE PRESIDENT’S BRAZEN AND UNPRECEDENTED APPEAL TO CHINA AND TO UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN IS WRONG AND APPALLING, UNQUOTE. CNN’S KAITLAN COLLINS IS AT THE WHITE HOUSE. AND KAITLAN, THERE IS NOW A REPUBLICAN SENATOR WHO IS SAYING THAT HE HEARD OF THIS QUID PRO QUO AND CONFRONTED PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT IT?>>Reporter: REPUBLICAN SENATOR RON JOHNSON TELLING THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” THAT THE U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE EUROPEAN UNION TOLD HIM THAT THE STATUS OF THAT MILITARY AID FOR UKRAINE WAS TIED TO THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT THE PRESIDENT WANTED TO SEE THE COUNTRY CARRY OUT. NOW THAT SIGNIFICANT FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, BECAUSE THAT AMBASSADOR TO THE E.U. TOLD ANOTHER TOP U.S. DIPLOMAT IN UKRAINE THAT THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO, THAT THERE WAS NO CORRELATION AND THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS HAPPENING WAS NOT HAPPENING. IT IS ALSO SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE RON JOHNSON TELLS THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” THAT HE CONFRONTED PRESIDENT TRUMP OVER THIS WHO HE SAID ADAMANTLY DENIED THE TWO WERE LINKED. SOMETHING WE SAW THE PRESIDENT DO REPEATEDLY IN FRONT OF REPORTERS TODAY.>>WHEN I SPEAK TO A FOREIGN LEADER, I SPEAK IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.>>Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP STUCK WITH THAT LINE OF DEFENSE TODAY AS HE WAS FORCED TO DEFEND CALLING ON ANOTHER FOREIGN LEADER TO INVESTIGATE HIS POLITICAL RIVAL. SOMETHING HE CLAIMS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UPCOMING ELECTION.>>I DON’T CARE ABOUT BIDEN’S CAMPAIGN. BUT I DO CARE ABOUT CORRUPTION.>>Reporter: AFTER SUGGESTING CHINA SHOULD LOOK INTO JOE BIDEN, TRUMP DENIED LINKING IT TO A POTENTIAL TRADE DEAL. >>ONE THING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER. >>Reporter: MAKING THAT CLAIM, EVEN THOUGH HE MENTIONED TRADE, RIGHT BEFORE SAYING THIS THURSDAY.>>CHINA SHOULD START AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE BIDENS. >>Reporter: TRUMP HASN’T PERSONALLY ASKED CHINA’S PRESIDENT TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION, HE SAYS, BUTN ON PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTS IN HONG KONG, HE ALSO RAISED BIDEN AND ELIZABETH WARREN WHICH HE SAID HE DOESN’T REMEMBER.>>WAS IN 2017? I DON’T KNOW. YOU’D HAVE TO TELL ME WHEN. >>Reporter: ONE QUESTION TRUMP DIDN’T ANSWER TODAY WAS WHETHER HE’D ASK OTHER COUNTRIES TO INVESTIGATE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT. >>YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK.>>Reporter: BUT HE DID CONFIRM HE’LL DARE HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI TO HOLD A FORMAL VOTE ON AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY BEFORE THE WHITE HOUSE WILL COOPERATE. >>WELL, WE’LL BE ISSUING A LETTER — >>Reporter: THE WHITE HOUSE ARGUED DEMOCRATS DON’T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DEMAND DOCUMENTS WITHOUT ONE. THOUGH DEMOCRATS SAY OTHERWISE.>>THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR ANYTHING THEY CAN GET.>>Reporter: THE UKRAINE SCANDAL OVERSHADOWING THE SEPTEMBER JOBS REPORT. WHICH SHOWED THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FELL TO 3.5%.>>THEY’RE THE BEST NUMBERS WE’VE HAD IN OVER 50 YEARS.>>Reporter: NOW, JAKE, SOME ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS WANT TO ONLY FOCUS ON THAT SEPTEMBER JOBS REPORT. BUT IT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO SEE HOW THEY’LL DO THAT NOW THAT HOUSE DEMOCRATS JUST IN THE LAST HOUR HAVE NOW REQUESTED DEMOCRATS — OR EXCUSE ME DOCUMENTS RELATED TO UKRAINE FROM THE VICE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE AS WELL. OF COURSE HE TRAVELED TO POLAND LAST MONTH INSTEAD OF THE PRESIDENT GOING WHERE HE MET WITH THE UKRAINIAN LEADER, THOUGH IT IS UNCLEAR HOW THE VICE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE WILL RESPOND TO THAT REQUEST. >>AND HE PUSHED ZELENSKY ON THE CORRUPTION ISSUE AND IT IS UNCLEAR IF HE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE BIDENS OR ANY OF THE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS THAT THE PRESIDENT WANTS. KAITLAN COLLINS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>>PRESIDENT TRUMP — LET’S BRING IN THE PANEL. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE’S FOCUSED ONLY ON CORRUPTION AND NOT INVESTIGATIONS OF HIS RIVALS BUT THEN HE WASN’T ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUICK KEY QUESTION FROM AIMON JAVERS ABOUT WHAT OTHER INDIVIDUALS HE’S PUSHED FOR WHEN IT COMES TO CORRUPTION IN THE INVESTIGATION. TAKE A>>DO YOU HAVE FOREIGN LEADERS FOR ANY CORRUPTION INVESTIGATION THAT DON’T INVOLVE YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENT, OTHER CASES WHERE YOU — >>YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK. >>LET ME START WITH YOU, SURELY THE WHITE HOUSE MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT EVENTUALLY PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD BE ASKED ABOUT THIS. IF CORRUPTION IS SO IMPORTANT, WHERE ARE YOU ON PUSHING FOR CORRUPTION INVESTIGATIONS ON ANY NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS. HE HAD NO ANSWER. >>RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE ISN’T ANY ANSWER. THE ONLY ANSWER IS THE ONE WE SEE SORT OF LAID OUT IN THE TEXTS AND IN THE PHONE CALLS WITH THE UKRAINIAN LEADER. HIS FOCUS ON CORRUPTION HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIS POLI POLITICAL — HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS AND IN THIS CASE AND THAT IS LAID OUT IN THE TEXTS. IT IS LAUGHABLE THAT THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO IS SUPPOSEDLY GLOBAL CORRUPTION BUSTER, RIGHT. THAT IS WHAT HE’S TRYING TO SELL HERE. BUT WE KNOW BASED ON THE DEALINGS WITH SAUDI ARABIA, BASED ON THE HIS DEALINGS WITH THE SOVIET UNION AND BASED ON HIS TRANSACTIONAL NATURE IN DEALING WITH FOREIGN LEADERS AND REALLY I THINK TURNING A BLIND EYE TO AMERICA’S USUAL ROLE IN THE WORLD, TALKING ABOUT CORRUPTION, TALKING ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AS WELL, IT IS JUST SOMETHING HE HASN’T BEEN INTERESTED IN. HE SAID HE’LL TAKE A LOOK INTO TO SEE IF HE HAS FOCUSED ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS WHEN IT COMES TO CORRUPTION AND I DON’T THINK IT WILL TAKE LONG. I THINK WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ALREADY. >>AND LARA, THIS COMES AS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN GOOD GOVERNMENT GROUPS ARE INSINUATING THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ALL OF THE TIME HE’S PUSHING BUSINESSES — I’M SORRY PUSHING GOVERNMENTS TO STAY AT HIS HOTEL AND PUSHING FOR THE G-7 AT HIS DORAL RESORT THAT HE’S ACTUALLY PRETTY CORRUPT HIMSELF, THESE GOOD GOVERNMENT GROUPS CLAIM. >>YES. A NUMBER OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE BEEN CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL AS HOUSE DEMOCRATS. BECAUSE THEY ALLEGE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS PROFITING OFF OF THE PRESIDENCY. THAT NOT ONLY HIM BUT HIS CHILDREN ARE BY THESE INSTANCES OF FEDERAL — OR BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS STAYING AT HIS HOTELS AND IN ADDITION TO WHAT MIA SAID, WHEN IT COMES TO THE EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE SEEN SO FAR OF THE PRESIDENT, EVEN OUTLOUD SAYING THAT HE WANTS UKRAINE AND CHINA TO LOOK INTO THE BIDEN INVESTIGATION, THE FEC COMMISSIONER HAS REPEATEDLY SAID IN PUBLIC JUST AS RECENTLY AS TODAY THAT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR ANY PERSON TO GET CONTRIBUTIONS, BE THAT MONEY, BE THAT AN INVESTIGATION, FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR FOREIGN ADVERSARY WHEN IT RELATES TO AN ELECTION. SO THE IDEA AND TRUMP’S CLAIM THAT HE CAN DO THIS AND THAT THERE ARE NO LEGAL CONSEQUENCES IS INACCURATE. >>GOVERNOR GRANHOLM, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THE WHITE HOUSE WILL SEND HOUSE SPEAKER PELOSI A LETTER IN RESPONSE TO THE DEMOCRATS’ REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS AND SUCH. SOURCES TELL CNN THE WHITE HOUSE LAWYERS PLAN TO CLAIM THEY DON’T HAVE TO TURN OVER ANY DOCUMENTS UNTIL THE FULL HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES VOTES ON AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. GOVERNOR GRANHOLM, WHY NOT HAVE THAT VOTE?>>WELL, THEY COULD HAVE THE VOTE. THEY’VE ALREADY LAUNCHED AN INQUIRY. BUT THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS. THEY DON’T NEED TO HAVE A VOTE OF CONGRESS ON IMPEACHMENT BEFORE THEY TURN OVER DOCUMENTS. ISN’T THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING THAT DEMOCRATS ARE RUSHING TO JUDGMENT ON IMPEACHMENT BEFORE THEY HAVE THE EVIDENCE. HERE THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO GET THE EVIDENCE AND NOW THE PRESIDENT SAID WE WON’T GIVE IT TO YOU UNLESS YOU VOTE. THAT IS VERY UPSIDE DOWN. BUT LET ME JUST SAY THAT IN THIS DISCUSSION, I JUST WANT VIEWERS AND PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL POTENTIAL CRIMES HERE THAT COULD BE THE BASIS OF ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. THE ONE CRIME THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A QUID PRO QUO IS THE VIOLATION OF THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. ALL HE — ALL THE HOUSE HAS TO PROVE IS THAT HE SOLICITED, HE ASKED FOR SOMETHING OF VALUE WHICH WOULD BE DIRT ON AN OPPONENT IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN ELECTION. THE OTHER TWO — THE OTHER ELEMENTS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, THOUGH. ABUSE OF POWER, BRIBERY, THE BRIBERY DOES REQUIRE A QUID PRO QUO AND THAT TO ME BASED ON THE TEXT TODAY AND I KNOW WE’LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER IS OBVIOUS. >>CONGRESSWOMAN LUD, LET ME ASK YOU, YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN — YOUR FORMER COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN PRETTY QUIET WITH THE EXCEPTION OF YOUR SENATOR MITT ROMNEY WHO ISSUED A STRONG STATEMENT TODAY DENOUNCING THE PRESIDENT’S BEHAVIOR AS WRONG. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT ALL?>>WELL, MITT ROMNEY IS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT AFRAID TO SAY WHAT HE THINKS. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF FRUSTRATIONS TOWARDS HIM AT THIS POINT. ESPECIALLY WITH THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT DID LASH OUT AT MITT ROMNEY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PRESIDENT REALLY HAS TO REMEMBER IS THAT THEY HAVE AN ALLEGIANCE TO THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT. THEY DON’T HAVE AN ALLEGIANCE TO THE WHITE HOUSE. AND THAT THEY ARE ELECTED BY PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE TO REPRESENT THEM. I DO THINK, HOWEVER, IT IS IMPORTANT AND THERE ARE A LOT OF MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE THAT I’VE SPOKEN TO, ONE THAT I RESPECT QUITE A BIT, REPRESENTATIVE WILL HURD, WHO HE FINDS SOME OF THE ISSUES, SOME OF THE TEXT MESSAGES IN — DISTURBING. BUT HE ALSO FEELS AS IF, AND I THINK IT IS FAIR, TO SAY THAT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE COMPLETELY BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS. THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, THEY’RE NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION AT ALL. SO THEY’RE SAYING, LOOK, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWER AND HAVE THOSE THINGS AND IT IS FAIR TO SAY, LOOK, WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED AND IT IS TRANSPARENT TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE HOUSE FLOOR. >>LET ME ASK OUR NEXT GUEST ABOUT THAT. STICK AROUND. WE’LL KEEP TALKING TO YOU BUT OUR NEXT GUEST JUST MET WITH THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY INSPECTOR GENERAL. I’M GOING TO TALK TO A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE NEXT. >>>AND SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE WANTS TO STOP CORRUPTION, WE’LL LOOK AT THE CORRUPT COUNTRIES AND WORLD LEADERS THAT HE HAS CALLED OUT MANY TIMES STRONGLY>>>WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS. WE LEARNED THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY INSPECTOR GENERAL HANDED OVER DOCUMENTS TO LAWMAKERS TODAY SHOWING HOW HE TRIED TO CORROBORATE THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT. ITS WITH UNOF THE FIRST GLIMPSES INTO WHAT INSPECTOR GENERAL MICHAEL ATKINSON HAS BEEN TELLING HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TODAY. CNN SUNLEN SERFATY JOINS ME LIVE FROM CAPITOL HILL WHERE THE BRIEFING IS STILL GOING ON. SUNLEN, WHAT ARE LAWMAKERS SAYING ABOUT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S TESTIMONY?>>Reporter: JAKE, WE EXPECT THIS BRIEFING TO BREAK UP AT ANY MOMENT BUT CERTAINLY A SIGNIFICANTLY LONG DAY POR THE ICIG BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH LAWMAKERS NOW FOR GOING ON SIX HOURS. AND LAWMAKERS COMING OUT OF THAT BRIEFING TELLING US THAT MICHAEL ATKINSON BRIEFED FIRST AND FOREMOST ON HOW HE HANDLED THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S INVESTIGATION AND SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW HE HANDLED THE CORROBORATION OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S COMPLAINT AND COMING TO THE TABLE TODAY WITH SOMETHING OF A PAPER TRAIL SO TO SPEAK HANDING OVER, ACCORDING TO SOURCES, THAT THEY TELL CNN THAT HE HANDED OVER DOCUMENTS TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CORROBORATION IN THE PROCESS. NOW WE ARE WAITING HERE OF COURSE FOR AT SKINSON HIMSELF A WE EXPECT TO HEAR FROM THE CHAIRMAN ADAM SCHIFF COMING UP. >>SUNLEN SERFATY, THANK YOU. >>>JOINING ME TO DISCUSS IS DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN JACKIE SPEIER OF CALIFORNIA AND SITS ON THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. GOOD TO SEE YOU. YOU JUST CAME OUT OF THE BRIEFING WITH THE INSPECTOR GENERAL MICHAEL ATKINSON. GIVE US THE HIGHLIGHTS, THE HEADLINES, WHAT DID YOU LEARN?>>SO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL WAS VERY FORTHCOMING. HE WAS VERY COMPELLING. AND HE MADE VERY CLEAR HOW HE WENT ABOUT CORROBORATING THE COMPLAINT BY THE WHISTLE-BLOWER.>>AND WHAT CAN Y– CAN YOU TEL US ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE HANDED OVER TO THE COMMITTEE AND BEFORE YOU ANSWER I WANT TO REMIND VIEWERS, MICHAEL ATKINSON, THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY INSPECTOR GENERAL WAS APPOINTED TO THAT JOB BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. BUT WHAT WERE THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE HANDED OVER TO YOU?>>IT WAS WORK PRODUCT OF HIS INTERVIEWS WITH VARIOUS WITNESSES. AND IT WAS ALSO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT HE DID THIS IN A TWO-WEEK PERIOD OF TIME AS IS REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW. AND THEN WAITED FOR THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE TO GIVE HIM THE GO AHEAD TO PRESENT THIS DOCUMENT AND THE COMPLAINT TO THE COMMITTEES WHICH OF COURSE THE DNI DECLINED TO DO AND IT WASN’T UNTIL IT BECAME PUBLIC THROUGH THE MEDIA THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE ALL OF THIS AVAILABLE TO US.>>SO TAKE A LISTEN TO YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUE JOHN RATCLIFF AND HIS REACTION TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S COMMENTS TODAY.>>CHAIRMAN SCHIFF SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED FROM RUNNING AN INVESTIGATION WHERE HIS COMMITTEE MEMBERS OR STAFF ARE FACT WITNESSES ABOUT CONTACT WITH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND THE WHISTLE-BLOWER PROCESS.>>SO HE’S REFERRING TO A “NEW YORK TIMES” STORY SINCE CORROBORATED AND CONFIRMED BY CHAIRMAN SCHIFF WHICH IS THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER TALKED TO A STAFFER ON THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, SOMEBODY ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE AND RECEIVED GUIDANCE ON HOW TO FILE HIS WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT. THIS IS BEEN AN ISSUE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT. WHAT IS YOUR REACTION?>>IT IS A RED HERRING, JAKE. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT WHISTLE-BLOWERS OFTEN COME DIRECTLY TO THE COMMITTEE. THEY COME TO THE MINORITY AND TO THE MAJORITY TO THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS. AND SEEK GUIDANCE. WE ARE ONE OF THE MEANS BY WHICH A WHISTLE-BLOWER CAN COME FORWARD. IT IS THEN ALWAYS REFERRED TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PROPERLY REVIEWED AND CLASSIFIED. SO IT IS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING AND ONCE AGAIN JUST KIND OF GRASPING AT STRAWS. BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IF YOU GO TO THE CORPUS, WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SEEKING

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