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>>>HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME. I’M FREDRICKA WHITFIELD. WE BEGIN WITH A BARRAGE OF STUNNING NOW DEVELOPMENTS ON THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND A DEFIANT PRESIDENT TRUMP. MOMENTS AGO IN A SERIES OF TWEETS, THE PRESIDENT BLASTED DEMOCRATS, MITT ROMNEY, A REPUBLICAN, AND THE WHISTLE-BLOWER. THIS AS HOUSE DEMOCRATS FOR THE FIRST TIME HAVE SUBPOENAED THE WHITE HOUSE FOR DOCUMENTS ON UKRAINE. THE SUBPOENAS COMING AFTER THE PRESIDENT ANNOUNCED HE WILL NOT COMPLY WITH THEIR INVESTIGATION UNTIL SPEAKER — HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI HOLDS A FORMAL VOTE ON THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IN THE HOUSE.>>WE’LL BE ISSUING A LETTER. AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE’VE BEEN TREATED VERY UNFAIRLY, VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANYBODY ELSE.>>THE HOUSE SPEAKER PUSHING BACK AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, ARGUING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE IN THIS IMPEACHMENT FIGHT.>>SOME PEOPLE SAY WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? HE’S NOT WORTH IT TO DIVIDE THE COUNTRY THIS WAY. I SAY HE MAY NOT BE, BUT OUR CONSTITUTION IS WORTH IT. OUR DEMOCRACY IS WORTH IT.>>HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE ALSO NOW DEMANDING THAT VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE HAND OVER DOCUMENTS ON UKRAINE. THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS TEN DAYS TO RESPOND. THIS AS U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO MISSED HIS FRIDAY SUBPOENA DEADLINE.>>THE STATE DEPARTMENT SENT A LETTER LAST NIGHT TO CONGRESS WHICH IS OUR INITIAL RESPONSE TO THE DOCUMENT REQUEST. WE’LL OBVIOUSLY DO ALL THE THINGS WE’RE REQUIRED TO DO BY LAW. I WAS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS ONCE. ARTICLE 1 HAS A CERTAIN SET OF POWERS AND ARTICLE 2 HAS AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT OFFICIALS AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT.>>MEANTIME, “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING A SECOND POTENTIAL WHISTLE-BLOWER IS CONSIDERING FILING A SEPARATE FORMAL COMPLAINT. “THE TIMES” REPORTING THAT AN INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL WITH MORE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S DEALING WITH UKRAINE THAN THE ORIGINAL WHISTLE-BLOWER, WHOSE COMPLAINT SPARKED THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. AND FINALLY, “THE WASHINGTON POST” REVEALS MORE CONCERNS NOW COMING FROM THE PRESIDENT’S AIDES ABOUT HIS PHONE CALLS WITH OTHER WORLD LEADERS, WHICH LEFT AT LEAST ONE FORMER WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL, QUOTE, GENUINELY HORRIFIED. “THE WASHINGTON POST” REPORTING IN ONE OF THE CALLS TRUMP FAWNED OVER VLADIMIR PUTIN, TELLING THE RUSSIAN PRESIDENT HE WAS A GREAT LEADER. WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO SAID THAT OUT LOUD. AND NOW PRESIDENT TRUMP BACK ON THE ATTACK. HE IS NOW TARGETING SENATOR MITT ROMNEY AFTER THE GOP LAWMAKER CALLED THE PRESIDENT’S ACTIONS WRONG AND APPALLING. TRUMP RESPONDING THIS MORNING TWEETING THIS. MITT ROMNEY NEVER KNEW HOW TO WIN. HE’S A POMPOUS A WHO HAS BEEN FIGHTING ME FROM THE BEGINNING EXCEPT WHEN HE BEGGED ME FOR MY ENDORSEMENT FOR MY HIS SENATOR RUN AND WHEN HE BEGGED ME TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE, I DIDN’T GIVE IT TO HIM. HE IS SO BAD FOR Rs. KRISTEN, GIVE US MORE ABOUT THE REACTION COMING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, THE DEFIANCE AND NOW EVEN HEARING FROM THE U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO THIS MORNING WHO DID MISS THIS DEADLINE, BUT THEN HE HAS A RESPONSE ABOUT COMPLIANCE. >>Reporter: THAT’S RIGHT. THERE’S A LOT GOING ON HERE AND WE’LL BREAK IT DOWN. I DO WANT TO START WITH YOU TALKING ABOUT THOSE TWEETS. WE’LL GET TO WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWEETS, THAT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP’S REACTION. YOU ARE NOT HEARING THERE ABOUT ANYTHING REACTING WHETHER OR NOT THEY’RE GOING TO COMPLY TO A SUBPOENA. WHAT HE’S MAKING VERY CLEAR IN HIS TWEETS THIS MORNING, WHICH BY THE WAY OR SENT ON HIS WAY TO HIS NATIONAL GOLF CLUB IN VIRGINIA, IS HE IS WILLING TO TAKE DOWN ANYONE, REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT, WHISTLE-BLOWER, IF THEY STAND IN HIS WAY. THAT IS HIS STRATEGY TO GET HIM THROUGH THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. NOW, THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT STRATEGY HERE, AS DO HOUSE REPUBLICANS. THEY REALLY WANT TO TURN THIS AROUND. THEY WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT PHONE CALL BETWEEN THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. I WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO WHAT MIKE POMPEO SAID ABOUT THAT PHONE CALL.>>THIS ADMINISTRATION WAS INCREDIBLY FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT WE WORKED WITH UKRAINE IN A WAY THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. AND IT IS NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE, BUT IT IS OUR DUTY TO INVESTIGATE IF WE THINK THERE WAS INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION OF 2016. I THINK EVERYONE RECOGNIZES THAT GOVERNMENTS HAVE AN OBLIGATION, INDEED A DUTY TO ENSURE THAT ELECTIONS HAPPEN WITH INTEGRITY, WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM ANY GOVERNMENT, WHETHER THAT’S THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT OR ANY OTHER. >>Reporter: SO, FRED, YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED A COUPLE WORDS THERE. JOE BIDEN, HUNTER BIDEN, INVESTIGATION INTO POLITICAL RIVALS. WHAT THE CRUX OF THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IS ACTUALLY ABOUT. OF COURSE HE’S TALKING HERE ABOUT THIS THEORY THAT UKRAINE WAS PARTED OF THE INTERFERENCE INTO THE 2016 ELECTION BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IS ABOUT. IT IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ASKED ANOTHER FOREIGN LEADER FOR HELP DIGGING UP DIRT ON A POTENTIAL POLITICAL RIVAL, SOMETHING HE DID AGAIN ON THE SOUTH LAWN EARLIER THIS WEEK. SO IT’S INTERESTING TO SEE HERE PICKING AND CHOOSING AS THEY TRY TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT DURING THIS TIME.>>ALL RIGHT, KRISTEN HOLMES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE’LL CHECK BACK WITH YOU. >>>MEANTIME, WE’RE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT DAMNING TEXT MESSAGES GIVEN TO CONGRESS BY THE FORMER SPECIAL ENVOY TO UKRAINE, KURT VOLKER. THE MESSAGES BETWEEN U.S. DIPLOMATS AND A SENIOR UKRAINIAN AIDE BRING UP THE EXPLOSIVE ISSUE OF A POTENTIAL QUID PRO QUO BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND UKRAINE. CNN’S SHIMON PROKUPECZ JOINING ME RIGHT NOW. SHIMON, WALK US THROUGH THESE TEXT MESSAGES AND HOW ON ONE END IT MAY SPELL OUT WHAT THE INTERPRETATION IS AND ON THE RESPONSE END, IT IS A BIT OF A DEFLECTION OR HERE’S SOME CLARITY TO WHAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE UNDERSTANDING. >>THAT’S RIGHT, IT IS. BUT THE ONE THING THAT’S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMUNICATING ON THIS TEXT MESSAGE ARE CONCERNED THAT THIS IS A QUID PRO QUO, ARE CONCERNED THAT THE PRESIDENT WITHHOLDING AID TO THE UKRAINE IS DOING IT FOR POLITICAL REASONS, TO HELP HIS POLITICAL CAMPAIGN. AND WHEN YOU SEE THESE TEXT MESSAGES AND THE CONCERNS THAT ARE THEN RAISED BY ONE PERSON, A CAREER DIPLOMAT, IT’S CERTAINLY VERY TROUBLING AND VERY REVEALING. SO LET’S JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF WHAT WAS RELEASED AND WHAT WE HAVE. OF COURSE ONE OF THOSE FIRST ONES THAT WE HAVE IS FROM VOLKER, KURT VOLKER, THE FORMER SPECIAL ENVOY TO UKRAINE AND HE TESTIFIED JUST RECENTLY ON THE HILL. HIS COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE UKRAINIAN ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT THERE IN UKRAINE, HE SAYS GOOD LUNCH. HEARD FROM WHITE HOUSE, ASSUMING PRESIDENT Z CONVINCES TRUMP HE WILL INVESTIGATE, GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016, WE WILL NAIL DOWN VISIT TO WASHINGTON. GOOD LUCK. SEE YOU TOMORROW. AND THEN THERE’S ANOTHER MESSAGE FROM KURT VOLKER TO RUDY GIULIANI WHERE HE SAYS, HI, MR. MAYOR. HAD A GOOD CHAT WITH YERMAK LAST NIGHT. HE WAS PLEASED WITH YOUR PHONE CALL. MENTIONED Z MAKING A STATEMENT, THAT’S THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. CAN WE ALL GET ON THE PHONE TO MAKE SURE I ADVISE Z CORRECTLY AS TO WHAT HE SHOULD BE SAYING. WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS DONE RIGHT. AND THEN THERE’S THE CAREER DIPLOMAT, A MAN BY THE NAME OF BILL TAYLOR. THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT MOMENT. HE’S TEXTING BACK AND FORTH WITH GORDON SONDLAND, WHO IS THE U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE EU. HE WAS APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT TO BE THE AMBASSADOR THERE TO THE EU. AND BILL TAYLOR HERE, THIS IS THE SIGNIFICANT MOMENT. WHEN HE STARTS TO RAISE THIS CONCERN THAT PERHAPS THE PRESIDENT COULD BE DOING THIS TO — THE WITHHOLDING OF MONEY TO THE UKRAINE BECAUSE OF POLITICAL REASONS. HE SAYS, AND THIS IS TAYLOR NOW, AS I SAID ON THE PHONE, I THINK IT’S CRAZY TO WITHHOLD SECURITY ASSISTANCE FOR HELP WITH A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN. AND THEN I THINK THE TIMING HERE IS SIGNIFICANT. THAT TEXT MESSAGE THAT BILL TAYLOR SENDS IS AT 12:47 A.M. IT IS ABOUT FIVE HOURS LATER OR SO THAT GORDON SONDLAND RESPONDS AND HE SAYS, BILL, I BELIEVE YOU ARE INCORRECT ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S INTENTIONS. AND THEN IN SORT OF THIS LAWYERLY FASHION AND THE WAY THAT HE RESPONDS, HE SAYS THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR, NO QUID PRO QUOS OF ANY TIME. THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO EVALUATE WHETHER UKRAINE IS TRULY GOING TO ADOPT THE TRANSPARENCY AND REFORMS THAT PRESIDENT ZELENSKY PROMISED DURING THE CAMPAIGN I SUGGEST. SO IT’S REALLY SIGNIFICANT. THIS EXCHANGE CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT INVESTIGATORS ON THE HILL ARE GOING TO WANT TO LOOK INTO. SONDLAND, I COULD SAY, IS EXPECTED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE HILL IN A CLOSED DEPOSITION ON TUESDAY.>>ALL RIGHT, SHIMON PROKUPECZ, THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET’S DISCUSS FURTHER NOW WITH MOLLY BALL, A NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR “TIME” AND A CNN POLITICAL ANALYST. ALSO WITH ME, TOLU, A CNN POLITICAL ANALYST. GOOD TO SEE BOTH OF YOU. TOLU, LET’S BEGIN WITH THIS “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORT THERE IS A POTENTIAL SECOND WHISTLE-BLOWER AND TALK TO US ABOUT HOW THE REPORT OF A POSSIBLE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT, THE COMPLAINT THAT HAS NOT BEEN FILED YET, MAY POTENTIALLY UNDERMINE THE COMPLAINT BEFORE IT’S ACTUALLY BEEN LAUNCHED OR SUBMITTED.>>ONE THING I THOUGHT WAS KEY ABOUT THIS REPORT WAS THAT THIS SECOND WHISTLE-BLOWER APPEARS TO HAVE MORE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF SOME OF THE POTENTIAL MISCONDUCT BY THE ADMINISTRATION, BY THE PRESIDENT, EVEN MORE SO THAN THE FIRST WHISTLE-BLOWER. IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE FIRST WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT, HE SAID THAT HE HAD HEARD FROM MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN OFFICIALS WHO WERE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE CALLS, THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS DOING AND TRYING TO PRESSURE THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN. THIS SECOND WHISTLE-BLOWER ACCORDING TO THESE REPORTS HAS MORE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE, HAS NOT FILED THAT REPORT YET, WHICH MAY MAKE HIM A TARGET FOR RETRIBUTION, OR MAY MAKE IT MORE LIKELY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION MAY TRY TO FIND OUT WHO THE PERSON IS AND STOP THE PROCESS BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO FILE THE COMPLAINT. BUT THE FACT THAT THE PERSON HAS MORE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE WOULD MAKE IT HARDER FOR REPUBLICANS TO SAY THIS IS HEARSAY OR THIS IS SECONDHAND AND WE CAN’T TRUST THIS INFORMATION OR THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER IS NOT EVEN LEGALLY ALLOWED TO FILE THIS COMPLAINT LIKE THEY TRIED TO SAY ABOUT THE FIRST WHISTLE-BLOWER. SO THE FACT THAT THIS PERSON IS CONTEMPLATING FILING A REPORT THAT MAY SHED EVEN MORE LIGHT ON THIS MISCONDUCT, ALLEGED MISCONDUCT BY THE ADMINISTRATION MAY MAKE IT EVEN HARDER FOR REPUBLICANS TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT AND THEY HAVE ALREADY STRUGGLED SO FAR OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS TO DEFEND THE CONDUCT ON THE FIRST CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT. >>BECAUSE, MOLLY, IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT THESE TEXTS ARE SIGNIFICANT. AND IF A SECOND WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT IS THAT MUCH MORE POWERFUL POTENTIALLY, IS THIS A POTENTIAL GAME-CHANGER IN THE WAY IN WHICH ELECTED OFFICIALS SPEAK OUT ABOUT WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN NEXT IN THIS PROCESS?>>I DON’T THINK THERE’S BEEN ANY ONE GAME-CHANGER, BUT I DO THINK IT’S SIGNIFICANT THAT EVERY SUCCESSIVE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS STORY HAS ONLY MORE BOLSTERED AND MORE SUBSTANTIATED THE OFFICIAL ALLEGATION. NOTHING YET HAS COME ALONG REALLY TO MUDDY OR DETRACT FROM THE ORIGINAL ALLEGATION THAT FIRST CAME OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO FROM THAT FIRST WHISTLE-BLOWER. IN FACT EVERYTHING WE’VE HEARD IS SIMPLY MORE AND MORE EVIDENCE TO THE EFFECT OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ALLEGED, WHETHER YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSCRIPT, THE WHISTLE-BLOWER REPORT, THE TEXT MESSAGESES. >>BUT THE PRESIDENT WILL CONTINUE TO SAY IT WAS A PERFECT PHONE CALL. MIKE POMPEO, THE SECRETARY OF STATE, JUST CAME OUT TODAY TO SAY THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS EVERY RIGHT TO LOOK INTO CORRUPTION IN THE 2016 — NOW TRYING TO CHANGE THE FOCUS, BECAUSE THESE PHONE CALLS HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE FAMILY OR THE LEADING POLITICAL RIVAL IN THIS 2020 RACE. SO POMPEO TOO TRYING TO SAY THIS IS ABOUT LOOKING BACK AT CORRUPTION POTENTIALLY IN THE 2016 RACE.>>WELL, THERE’S JUST SO MUCH EVIDENCE THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT IT WAS ABOUT. AND BY ESSENTIALLY ADMITTING TO THE CENTRAL ALLEGATION HERE AND THEN TRYING TO CLAIM THAT IT WAS A FINE THING TO DO, I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS, AS YOU MENTIONED, PUT REPUBLICAN OFFICE HOLDERS IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION OF HAVING TO DEFEND THE ACTUAL ADMITTED CONDUCT AT ISSUE RATHER THAN TRYING TO DENY IT AND HAVE THEM LITIGATE WAS THE WHISTLE-BLOWER LEGIT, DID THEY REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING TO. HE HAS COME OUT AND ADMITTED WHAT HE’S ACCUSED OF DOING AND THEN TRIED TO MUDDY THE WATERS ABOUT, OH, WHAT I WAS REALLY CONCERNED WITH WAS CORRUPTION WHICH REALLY DOES NOT PASS THE LAUGH TEST. AND VARIOUS OTHER DEFENSES, OH, THIS WAS ABOUT 2016, WHICH DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE BECAUSE IT’S BASED ON AN INSANE CONSPIRACY THEORY. BUT HE’S PUT REPUBLICANS IN A REALLY TOUGH POSITION BY SAYING, YES, I DID DO THIS BUT I THINK IT’S A FINE THING TO DO. AND I THINK PARTICULARLY ONCE CONGRESS COMES BACK, REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADVANTAGE THAT THEY CAN LIE LOW BECAUSE CONGRESS IS IN RECESS. ONCE THEY’RE BACK IN WASHINGTON, IT’S GOING TO BE HARDER AND HARDER FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEFEND THIS CONDUCT. >>AND AN ADMISSION FROM THE PRESIDENT, YEAH, I HAD THAT CALL AND, YEAH, I DID ASK THAT OF UKRAINE. BUT TAKING IT EVEN FURTHER THIS WEEK NOW CALLING ON CHINA. THIS WAS ANOTHER, RUSSIA, ARE YOU LISTENING EXCEPT IT WAS CHINA, ARE YOU LISTENING, INVESTIGATE POLITICAL RIVAL JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON. SO WHILE DEMOCRATS BELIEVE THAT THIS ADDS TO THE EVIDENCE OF THIS IMPEACHMENT PUSH, MANY REPUBLICANS STILL CHOOSE TO BRUSH IT OFF. LISTEN TO SENATOR MARCO RUBIO. >>DO YOU THINK IT’S OKAY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO ASK CHINA TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION OF JOE BIDEN AND HUNTER BIDEN. >>I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S A REAL REQUEST OR HIM JUST NEEDLING THE PRESS KNOWING THAT YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO GET OUTRAGED BY IT. HE’S PRETTY GOOD AT GETTING EVERYBODY FIRED UP. HE’S BEEN DOING THAT FOR A WHILE. THE MEDIA RESPONDED RIGHT ON — RIGHT ON TASK.>>YOU’RE ONE OF THE LOUDEST CRITICS OF CHINA AND ITS HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES. IS IT OKAY FOR HIM TO ASK, TO SAY THAT?>>I THINK HE DID IT TO GIG YOU GUYS AND PROVOKE YOU TO ASK ME AND OTHERS AND GET OUTRAGED BY IT. LIKE I SAID, HE PLAYS IT LIKE A VIOLIN AND EVERYBODY FALLS RIGHT INTO IT. THAT’S NOT A REAL REQUEST. >>SO, TOLU, ONE HAS TO WONDER WHAT REALLY IS THE BREAKING POINT. WHEN WILL THERE BE OTHER REPUBLICANS WHO ARE WILLING TO VOE SIF RUSSLY SAYING WHAT MITT ROMNEY AS SAID, WHAT BEN SASSE HAS SAID. >>I THINK LIKE MOLLY SAID WHEN THEY ARE COMING BACK INTO TOWN, THEY ARE FINDING DIFFERENT WAYS TO EXCUSE THE PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS, TRYING TO DEFENDING THE COMMENTS WITHOUT DEFENDING THE SUBSTANCE. >>OR EVEN CHANGING THE SUBJECT.>>IT DOES SOUND LIKE THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO ENDORSE THIS BEHAVIOR OF ASKING FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS TO INTERFERE WITH THE 2020 ELECTION BY INVESTIGATING TOP RIVALS OF THE PRESIDENT. SO THEY’RE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET AWAY FROM IT WITHOUT GOING AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY DO SPEAK OUT AND SAY THAT IT’S WRONG AS MITT ROMNEY DID, THEY’RE GOING TO FIND A BIG TARGET ON THEIR BACK WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WITH HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT, ATTACKING THEM DIRECTLY AND THAT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT. >>MOLLY, REALLY QUICK, IS THIS KIND OF EVIDENCE THAT MANY OF THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE REALLY FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF THE DIRECTIVE THAT STARTS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE? OR PARTICULARLY NOW ON BREAK WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR TOWN HALLS, THEY’RE MEETING WITH THEIR CONSTITUENTS, THEY NEED TO HEAR OR ARE HOPING TO HEAR WHAT KIND OF DIRECTIVE WILL COME FROM THEIR CONSTITUENTS?>>YOU KNOW, HONESTLY I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF PANIC AND ANXIETY BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THESE REPUBLICANS. IT IS EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF. THEY KNOW THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT PARTICULARLY ORGANIZED AND CAN’T BE COUNTED ON TO BACK THEM UP IN DIFFICULT SITUATIONS, SO THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT BEING HUNG OUT TO DRY. THEY’RE WORRIED THEY MAY GO OUT AND DEFEND SOMETHING THAT THEN TURNS OUT NOT TO BE THE CASE THE NEXT DAY, AS HAS HAPPENED IN SO MANY SITUATIONS WITH THIS PRESIDENT. THAT’S WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY REPUBLICANS EITHER TRYING TO STAY OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT OR COMING UP WITH THESE CONTRIVED DEFENSES THAT DON’T ACTUALLY DEFEND THE CONDUCT AT ISSUE BECAUSE THEY AREN’T SURE HOW THEY CAN ACTUALLY DEFEND WHAT THEY’RE BEING ASKED TO DEFEND. >>ALL RIGHT, MOLLY BALL, TOLU, THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>>STILL AHEAD, THE CASE FOR IMPEACHMENT. AS PRESIDENT TRUMP LAMBASTS THE INVESTIGATION INTO POSSIBLE IMPEACHMENT OFFENSES, WHAT EVIDENCE DO DEMOCRATS REALLY NEED IN THEIR ARSENAL?>>>PLUS, PRESIDENT TRUMP GIVES THE GREEN LIGHT TO CHINA TO INTERFERE IN 2020. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. SO WHAT’S THE POINT OF VIEW FROM BEIJING?>>>AND JUST DAYS AFTER A HEART ATTACK, A CONFIDENT BERNIE SANDERS SAYS, QUOTE, I’LL SEE YOU ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. AN UPDATE ON HIS CONDITION AND FUTURE PLANS.>>>WELCOME BACK. THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY INTO PRESIDENT TRUMP INTENSIFIES. IN JUST THE LAST 24 HOURS, THREE HOUSE COMMITTEES ISSUED SUBPOENAS TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND A REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS FROM VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE. U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO MISSING THE DEADLINE FOR DELIVERING RELATED DOCUMENTS. AND “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING THERE MAY BE ANOTHER WHISTLE-BLOWER. I’M JOINED NOW BY CASS SUNSTEIN, A PROFESSOR OF LAW AT HARVARD UNIVERSITY. ALSO THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK “IMPEACHMENT, A CITIZEN’S GUIDE.” CASS, GOOD TO SEE YOU, OR PROFESSOR, I SHOULD SAY. ON SUNDAY YOU WROTE THIS IN “THE NEW YORK TIMES” IN AN OP-ED. IN THE COMING WEEKS THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WILL HAVE TO GET CLEAR ON EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED HERE AND ALSO ON WHETHER OTHER POTENTIAL GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT WARRANT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION UNDER THE LEGAL STANDARD. WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL DO YOU BELIEVE THEY NEED STILL?>>WELL, ANYTHING THAT WOULD CLARIFY THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS ACTUALLY PRESSURING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE A POLITICAL OPPONENT WOULD BE VERY DISTURBING. IT WOULD BE HIGHLY SUGGESTIVE THAT WE ARE IN THE DOMAIN OF THE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. SO THE MOST EXTREME WOULD BE A QUID PRO QUO WHERE IT WAS EXPLICIT OR UNIVERSALLY UNDERSTOOD BY THE PARTICIPANTS THAT FINANCIAL AID AND OTHER GOOD THINGS WOULD BE FORTHCOMING IF AND ONLY IF THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION OF A POLITICAL OPPONENT. THAT WOULD BE — THAT WOULD BE VERY DAMNING. >>BUT THIS WOULD MEAN THE COOPERATION OF THE WHITE HOUSE, OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT. I MEAN WE KNOW THAT MIKE POMPEO HAS ALREADY MISSED HIS DEADLINE. AND WE KNOW THAT DOCUMENTS ARE BEING REQUESTED OF THE VICE PRESIDENT AND HIS INTERACTIONS, ALL THINGS UKRAINE. SO WITHOUT THAT COOPERATION, BECAUSE THUS FAR A DEADLINE HAS BEEN MISSED AND THERE MAY BE — OR THIS MAY BE A SIGN OF YET MORE STONEWALLING, THEN WILL THESE HOUSE INVESTIGATIVE COMMITTEES BE ABLE TO GET THE KIND OF MATERIAL THEY WANT OR NEED WITHOUT THE COOPERATION FROM THE ADMINISTRATION?>>THERE ARE TWO POSSIBLE DIRECTIONS. ONE IS THAT EVEN WITHOUT COOPERATION, SOMEBODY WITHIN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WILL GIVE CLARITY. MAYBE IT’S NOT AS BAD AS THE PRESIDENT’S CRITICS SUGGEST. MAYBE THERE WILL BE CLARITY TO THAT EFFECT. OR MAYBE THERE WILL BE CLARITY THAT IT’S AT LEAST AS BAD AS THE CRITICS SUGGEST OR WORSE. THAT IS ONE POSSIBLE DIRECTION. EVEN IF THE WHITE HOUSE DOESN’T COOPERATE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT. THE OTHER POSSIBLE DIRECTION IS THAT A REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO A SUBPOENA HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE BASIS FOR AN ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT. AND THAT COULD BE AN INDEPENDENT ROUTE FOR SERIOUS CONSIDERATION OF AN ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT AND CONCEIVABLY REMOVAL EVEN. >>WHAT’S THE TIMELINE THAT YOU SEE ON THIS, CRITICAL TO GET CERTAIN THINGS DONE BY WHAT TIME IN YOUR VIEW?>>WELL, I THINK THERE’S CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION AND THEN THERE’S POLITICS. AND THEY MAY NOT GO HAND IN HAND. SO AS A MATTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION, TO PROCEED IN A WAY THAT IS FAIR TO ALL CONCERNED, ABOVE ALL THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH I THINK MEANS WE’RE SAYING NOT DAYS, PROBABLY NOT WEEKS, BUT MONTHS. IN TERMS OF POLITICS, THEY ARE PUTTING A LITTLE MORE TIME PRESSURE ON THE PROCEEDING. THEY’RE SUGGESTING MAYBE A LITTLE MORE EXPEDITION THAN WOULD BE OPTIMAL. AS BETWEEN POLITICS AND THE CONSTITUTION, GO WITH THE CONSTITUTION. >>HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR CASS SUNSTEIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>THANK YOU. >>>STRAIGHT AHEAD, PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLS ON CHINA TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN. AS WE LEARNED, HE PROMISED CHINA’S PRESIDENT THAT HE WOULD STAY QUIET ON HONG KONG PROTESTS WHILE TRADE TALKS CONTINUED.>>>IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THIS WEEK THAT HE WANTS CHINA TO INVESTIGATE HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT, JOE BIDEN, AND HIS SON. HE WAS RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE UKRAINE CALL THAT TRIGGERED THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT. HERE IS WHAT TRUMP TOLD REPORTERS OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE.>>CHINA SHOULD START AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE BIDENS. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IN CHINA IS JUST ABOUT AS BAD AS WHAT HAPPENED WITH UKRAINE.>>ALL RIGHT, TRUMP ALSO SAID THAT ALL OF HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH FOREIGN LEADERS ARE APPROPRIATE. CNN’S DAVID CULVER IS IN BEIJING. DAVID, DID THE PRESIDENT THERE ON THE WHITE HOUSE GROUNDS JUST GIVE A GREEN LIGHT FOR CHINA TO INTERFERE IN U.S. ELECTIONS, AND WOULD IT COMPLY?>>IT CERTAINLY GIVES THAT IMPRESSION TO SOME, FREDRICKA, OR AT THE VERY LEAST IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE’VE GOT THE UPCOMING U.S. TRADE TALKS WITH CHINA. PERHAPS THIS IS SOMETHING THEY COULD USE AS LEVERAGE IN THOSE TALKS. THAT’S ALL THINGS THAT ARE COMING TO LIGHT RIGHT NOW. OVERALL, I’VE GOT TO SAY THERE’S THIS CLOUD OF CONFUSION. HERE’S WHAT THEY SEE. THURSDAY THE PRESIDENT MAKES THOSE REMARKS. ON FRIDAY HE SEEMS TO STAND BY THEM BUT PUSHES MORE THE CORRUPTION SIDE OF THINGS. ALSO ON FRIDAY, AND YOU PLAYED THE SOUND A SHORT TIME AGO, U.S. REPUBLICAN SENATOR MARCO RUBIO IS SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT REALLY WASN’T GOING FORWARD WITH AN ACTUAL REQUEST, THAT WAS MORE JUST MESSING WITH THE MEDIA. PRESIDENT TRUMP, MIND YOU, RETWEETED THAT VIDEO COMMENT. SO FOR CHINESE OFFICIALS, THERE’S CONFUSION LOOKING AT THIS. IS THE PRESIDENT SERIOUS OR IS IT AS RUBIO SUGGESTS. HERE’S HOW BEIJING OPERATES, THOUGH. THEY’RE NOT JUST GOING TO COME OUT AND REACT WITH A STATEMENT OR ON-CRAMERA COMMENT. IT IS NOT IN THEIR NATURE. IT’S MUCH MORE CONTROLLED HERE. IT’S CALCULATED. IT’S ON THEIR OWN TIMELINE THAT THEY’LL RESPOND TO THIS. THE ONLY RESPONSE REALLY THAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THEIR CENSORING OF CNN’S COVERAGE OF THIS TOPIC, WHICH SHOWS THEY’RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE DISTANCE BETWEEN THEIR PRESIDENT XI AND ANYTHING THAT’S POTENTIALLY CONTROVERSIAL WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.>>ALL RIGHT, DAVID CULVER IN BEIJING, THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>>DO YOU HEAR THAT? UTTER SILENCE FROM THE MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS ON CAPITOL HILL AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP URGES TWO FOREIGN POWERS TO LOOK INTO HIS 2020 RIVALS. WHERE DOES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STAND ON THIS? I’LL TALK TO THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, NEXT. >>>PLUS, NEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS’ HEALTH AND AGE AFTER DOCTORS REVEAL HE ACTUALLY SUFFERED A HEART ATTACK EARLIER THIS WEEK.>>>WELCOME BACK. THIS WEEK CNN REACHED OUT TO THE OFFICES OF MORE THAN 60 REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERNS AFTER THE PRESIDENT ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN CALLED FOR CHINA TO INVESTIGATE A POLITICAL RIVAL. FEW RESPONDED. ONE OF THE LAWMAKERS WAS TEXAS CONGRESSMAN WILL HURD WHO WEIGHED IN, AS DID FORMER OHIO GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH.>>I THINK IT’S TERRIBLE. IT’S SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN’T HAVE DONE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOULDN’T BE DOING. >>THE PRESIDENT TRYING TO GET THE CHINESE TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AND TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION AGAINST BIDEN IS JUST SHOCKING, FRANKLY. AND OUR FOUNDERS WARNED US ABOUT FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS. FOR THE PRESIDENT TO DOUBLE DOWN HAS GOT ME REALLY, REALLY DISTURBED.>>REPUBLICAN SENATOR MITT ROMNEY ECHOING THAT SENTIMENT, TWEETING BY ALL APPEARANCES, THE PRESIDENT’S BRAZEN AND UNPRECEDENTED APPEAL TO CHINA AND TO UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN IS WRONG AND APPALLING. LIV HARRINGTON IS THE NATIONAL SPOKESPERSON FOR THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION AND IS JOINING ME RIGHT NOW. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN TWEETING THIS MORNING AND HE HAS BEEN FOCUSING ON SENATOR ROMNEY, SAYING IN PART MITT ROMNEY NEVER KNEW HOW TO WIN. HE IS A POMPOUS “A” WHO HAS BEEN FIGHTING ME FROM THE BEGINNING. HE IS SO BAD FOR Rs. SO, LIZ, THE PRESIDENT GOING AFTER A REPUBLICAN SENATOR BECAUSE HE IS CRITICAL OF THIS SO-CALLED PERFECT PHONE CALL TO UKRAINE, AND NOW INVITING CHINA TO INVESTIGATE A POLITICAL RIVAL. IS THAT HOW THE POWER OF THIS PRESIDENCY SHOULD BE USED?>>THAT’S NOT AT ALL WHAT’S HAPPENING. THE PRESIDENT MERELY RAISED THE SAME QUESTION THAT NBC NEWS WAS RAISING THE DAY BEFORE, WHICH WAS HOW IS IT ON AN OFFICIAL VISIT TO CHINA, VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN BROUGHT HIS SON, HUNTER BIDEN, ON THE TRIP AND HE SECRETLY WAS MEETING WITH CHINESE BANKERS. TEN DAYS LATER HE MAGICALLY GETS A BUSINESS DEAL TO HAVE A PRIVATE EQUITY FIRM. >>THAT CLAIM HAS NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIATED. >>THEN WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE IT THEN. >>SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF INVITING A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO INTERFERE WITH THE U.S. ELECTIONS. WHY IS THAT OKAY?>>WE SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING JUST THAT AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR AND THE U.S. ATTORNEY JOHN DURHAM ARE DOING, GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT IN FACT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WAS DOING. >>DON’T AVOID THE QUESTION. PRECEDING THAT, LIZ, THE PRESIDENT HAS INVITED, ASKED UKRAINE TO LOOK INTO A POLITICAL RIVAL AND THERE IS NOW — THERE IS TEXTING ON THAT. WE’RE SEEING THE UNFOLDING POTENTIALLY OF EVIDENCE TO JUSTIFY THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S COMPLAINT. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS HOW THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY SHOULD BE USED? TO GET A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO INTERFERE OR MEDDLE WITH U.S. ELECTIONS?>>WE HAVE CONFIRMED FROM KURT VOLKER’S TESTIMONY THAT THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO HERE. THE FAVOR, IN FACT, WAS GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT DEMOCRATS AND THE MEDIA WAS VERY INTERESTED IN NOT VERY LONG AGO. HOW EXACTLY WAS RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION INFILTRATED THROUGHOUT OUR POLITICS FOR OVER TWO YEARS, PUSHING AN INSANE CONSPIRACY THEORY ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND RUSSIA THAT WAS COMPLETELY FALSE. >>THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY SAID THAT RUSSIA DID INTERFERE. THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY DID SAY THAT RUSSIA INTERFERED WITH THE 2016 ELECTION. AND THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO DO MORE WITH THAT. AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY EVIDENCE COMING FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT MORE IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS RUSSIA AND NOW INVITE TWO FOREIGN COUNTRIES TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES IN THIS ELECTION. WHAT IS CORRECT ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU ARE SITTING IN THE WHITE HOUSE?>>HE DID NOT SOLICIT FOREIGN DIRT ON JOE BIDEN, HE MERELY SAID WE WANT TO ROOT OUT CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE. LOOKING AT CORRUPTION, PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS TO GET RID OF IT. WHAT WAS JOE BIDEN DOING WHEN HE WAS POINT MAN FOR THE UNITED STATES? ROOTING OUT CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE? HIS SON, HUNTER, MAGICALLY ENDS UP ON THE BOARD OF BARISMA HOLDINGS. THAT IS CORRUPTION. >>IS THIS AN FEC TYPE VIOLATION WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS CURRYING FAVOR WITH A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO DIG UP INFORMATION ON A POLITICAL RIVAL?>>THAT IS JUST NOT WHAT HAPPENED. THERE WAS FOR QUID PRO QUO. THERE WAS NO PRESSURE. KURT VOLKER TESTIFIED YESTERDAY TO SAY BIDEN WASN’T EVEN MENTIONED. >>YOU SEE FROM THE COMPLAINT AND THE TEXTS THAT IT ALLUDES TO THAT. THAT IS WHAT IS AT THE CORE OF THE INVESTIGATION. >>THERE CAN BE NO QUID PRO QUO WHEN THERE’S NO QUID. UKRAINE HAD NO IDEA THAT MONEY WAS BEING WITHHELD. AND IT WASN’T BEING WITHHELD BECAUSE OF ANYTHING TO DO WITH JOE BIDEN, IT WAS EVERYTHING TO DO TO SEE IF THEY WERE GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF CORRUPTION, WHICH WE KNOW UKRAINIAN COURT RULED THAT THE DNC AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WERE SOLICITING DIRT FROM UKRAINE IN 2016. >>ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS? DO I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY THAT I’M WITHHOLDING MONEY BECAUSE AT THE PRESIDENT’S REQUEST FOR POLITICAL REASONS, WE SAW THAT. AND THEN IT WAS CALL ME. SO LISTEN TO REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN MATT GAETZ WHEN HE SPOKE TO CNN EARLIER THIS MORNING. >>YOU HEARD MY COMMENTARY. WHAT KIND OF A PRECEDENT WOULD WE BE SETTING FOR FUTURE ELECTIONS IF THE PRESIDENT’S REQUESTS FOR FOREIGN ASSISTANCE IN OUR ELECTIONS IS NORMALIZED?>>WELL, I HAVE TO REJECT THE PREMISE OF THE QUESTION. I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT’S CONTEXT FOR THESE DISCUSSIONS ISN’T FORWARD LEANING INTO THE NEXT ELECTION, HE IS ATTEMPTING TO SOLICIT UKRAINE SUPPORT TO FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST ELECTION. IT IS A RETROSPECTIVE CONVERSATION AS IT RELATES TO THE UKRAINE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ZELENSKY PRAISING TRUMP FOR CREATING A POPULIST RHETORIC THAT WAS HELPFUL TO HIM IN ROUTING OUT CORRUPTION, I THINK YOU SEE TWO MEN ON THE SAME PAGE, FRANKLY TRYING TO LEVERAGE AGAINST EUROPE TO GET EUROPE TO DO MORE FOR THE UKRAINE. >>SO HOW IS IT SUSTAINABLE THAT IT WILL APPEAR TO BE NORMAL AND OKAY THAT A U.S. PRESIDENT CAN INVITE OTHER COUNTRIES TO INVESTIGATE AMERICANS WHO ARE IN POLITICAL OFFICE OR SEEKING OFFICE?>>THAT IS NOT WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE AT ALL. IT’S ABOUT ROUTING OUT JOE BIDEN’S CORRUPTION IN PLAIN SIGHT. AND WHAT THE REAL QUESTION IS, I’M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE WHO NORMALIZED THIS? BARACK OBAMA. HIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT — >>WHO ARE THE OTHER CORRUPT INDIVIDUALS YOU’RE LOOKING INTO WHO DO NOT HAVE AFFILIATIONS, HE COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION, LIZ. >>THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SOLICITED FOREIGN DIRT.>>YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO DEFLECT. JUST DEAL WITH THE ISSUE RIGHT HERE. WHY IS IT THE PRESIDENT WHO WAS ASKED WHAT OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU SUSPECT ARE CORRUPT THAT YOU ARE LOOKING INTO THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS. HE DIDN’T HAVE AN ANSWER. IF THIS IS THE PRESIDENT WHO IS SAYING THAT HE WANTS TO ROUT OUT CORRUPTION, WHY DOES IT HAPPEN TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC RIVAL FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. >>WHAT OTHER DEMOCRATS WERE OVERSEEING ATTEMPTS TO ROUT OUT CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE?>>THAT’S NOT THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. >>IT WAS JOE BIDEN.>>WHAT OTHER INDIVIDUALS OF CORRUPTION IS THE PRESIDENT FOCUSING ON THAT HAVE NO POLITICAL AFFILIATION?>>HE WILL ROUT IT OUT WHEREVER HE FINDS IT. THIS IS — THE REASON WHY JOE BIDEN EVEN CAME UP IN PASSING IN THIS CONVERSATION, WHICH BY THE WAY IT’S NOT A COVER-UP WHEN YOU RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPT. IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE TRANSCRIPT, PRESIDENT ZELENSKY WAS SAYING WE’VE HAD SOME BAD, CORRUPT PEOPLE. WE’RE ROUTING THEM OUT AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID, YES, I’VE HEARD ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT’S VERY TERRIBLE AND THAT’S WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID. HE SAID IT SOUNDS TERRIBLE TO ME WHEN YOU HAVE A VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES RUNNING POINT ON CORRUPTION — ROUTING OUT CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE. HIS SON SITS ON A BOARD MAKING $50,000 A MONTH. AND THE PROSECUTOR LOOKING INTO THAT NATURAL GAS COMPANY — >>EXCEPT THE CHRONOLOGY IS NOT QUITE RIGHT. >>IT’S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. >>THE CORRUPTION HAPPENED BEFORE THE NEWLY ELECTED PRESIDENT AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OR JOE BIDEN WAS HELPING TO PRESSURE THE STEPPING DOWN OF A PROSECUTOR BECAUSE OF CORRUPTION. THAT WAS IN STEP WITH THE IMF, WITH OTHER WESTERN LEADERS, EUROPEAN LEADERS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO GET FACTS STRAIGHT BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE GETTING VERY CONFUSED BY INTERCHANGEABLY THROWING AROUND INFORMATION AS OPPOSED TO KEEPING A STRAIGHT LINE SO IT’S COHERENT AND WITH CLARITY. >>WHEN YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT GIVING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO UKRAINE, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST JOE BIDEN WITHHOLDING A BILLION DOLLARS UNLESS THIS PROSECUTOR WAS FIRED. IT’S VERY RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION OF CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE. >>OKAY. LIZ HARRINGTON, GLAD YOU COULD BE WITH US. NATIONAL SPOKESPERSON FOR THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE. >>>A NEW REPORT SAYS IRANIAN-BACKED HACKERS TRIED TO ATTACK A 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS ALREADY>>>HACKERS LINKED TO THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT ATTEMPTED TO ATTACK A 2020 U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN ACCORDING TO MICROSOFT. THEY DID NOT SAY WHICH CAMPAIGN WAS TARGETED, BUT THE TRUMP REELECTION CAMPAIGN SAID THEY HAD NO INDICATION IT WAS THEM. MICROSOFT SAID A GROUP CALLED PHOSPHOROUS TRIED TO ATTACK IT BETWEEN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER. WE HEARD THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN SAY THEY DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS THEM, IS ANY CAMPAIGN RESPONDING?>>YEAH, THE DNC SAID THEY HAD MANY CANDIDATES TO CHECK THE LOGS ON THEIR SYSTEMS, THEY PROVIDED THE CANDIDATES WITH AN IP ADDRESS, A UNIQUE IDENTIFIER ON EACH NETWORK AND THAT WAS THE NETWORK THAT THESE ALLEGEDLY IRANIAN HACKERS WERE USING TO SEE IF THE CAMPAIGNS HAD BEEN ACCESSED THROUGH THAT WAY. THE “NEW YORK TIMES” AND REUTERS SAY IT WAS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN THAT WAS TARGETED, BUT THEY SAY THEY HAVE NO INDICATION OF BEING BREACHED IN ANY WAY. WE SAW HOW BIG OF A ROLE THE HACKING PLAYED IN 2016. THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUGE CHALLENGE GOING INTO 2020 AND IT’S NOT JUST THE CAMPAIGN E-MAIL ADDRESSES, THE STAFFERS, THE FACEBOOK, THE E-MAIL ACCOUNTS OF THOSE STAFFERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT TO US.>>COMING UP, A MAJOR HEALTH SCARE FOR A TOP DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. BERNIE SANDERS O>>>HELLO, AGAIN, EVERYONE. WE BEGIN WITH A BARRAGE OF STUNNING NEW DEVELOPMENTS ON THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND A DEFIANT PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. FOR THE FIRST TIME, DEMOCRATS HAVE SUBPOENAED THE WHITE HOUSE FOR DOCUMENTS ON THE UKRAINE. HE SAYS THEY WILL NOM COMPLY WITH THE INVESTIGATION UNTIL NANCY PELOSI HOLDS AN INFORMAL VOTE ON THE HOUSE.>>WE’LL BE ISSUING A LETTER, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE HAVE BEEN TREATING VERY UNFAIRLY. VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANYBODY ELSE.>>THE HOUSE SPEAKER IS PUSHING BACK ARGUING THAT THE AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS AT TAKE.>>HE MAY NOT BE, BUT OUR CONSTITUTION IS WORTH IT. OUR DEMOCRACY IS WORTH IT. HOW DEMOCRATS ARE ALSO DEMANDING THAT MIKE PENCE HAND OVER DOCUMENTS ON UKRAINE. THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS TEN DAYS TO RESPOND. THIS AS THE U.S. TECSECRETARY O STATE MIKE POMPEO MISSED HIS DEADLINE. A SECOND POTENTIAL WHISTLE-BLOWER IS CONSIDERING FILING A SEPARATE FORMAL COMPLAINT. THE ORIGINAL WHISTLE-BLOWER SPARKED THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, AND NOW THERE ARE MORE CONCERNED FROM THE PRESIDENT’S AIDS ABOUT HIS CALLS WITH OTHER WORLD LEADERS THAT LEFT ONE OFFICIAL GENUINELY HORRIFIED. IN ONE OF THE CALLS HE FAWNED OVER VLADIMIR PUTIN TELLING THE RUSSIAN PUTIN TELLING HIM HE WAS A GREAT LEADER. LET’S GO TO KRISTIN HOMES. HE SEEMS TO BE SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD, TO AMERICA, AND PARTICULARLY TO OTHER REPUBLICANS, AND NOW HE IS THE TARGET OF THE PRESIDENT’S TWEETS THIS MORNING.>>I DON’T KNOW IF GOING AFTER A STRONG ENOUGH LANGUAGE IT IS AN ALL OUT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION ON TWITTER DEEPLY PERSONAL ATT ATTACKS. THE FIRST LINE OF THE FIRST ONE SAYING SOMEONE PLEASE WAKE UP MITT ROMNEY AND TELL HIM THAT MY CONVERSATION WAS AN APPROPRIATE ONE AND IT PERTAINED TO KRUPS AND NOT POLITICS. MITT ROMNEY NEVER KNEW HOW TO WIN. HE HAS BEEN FIGHTING ME FROM THE BEGINNING EXCEPT WHEN HE BEGGED ME FOR HIS ENDORSEMENT AND WHEN HE BEGGED ME TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE I DIDN’T GIVE IT TO HIM. A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO KNOW HERE, ONE WE DON’T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THIS IS TRUE, THE BEGGING FOR SECRETARY OF STATE OR FOR THE ENDORSEMENT. BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE TRYING TO CRAFT MESSAGING AND STRATEGY. THIS IS NOT PART OF THAT, PRESIDENT TRUMP SENDING A CLEAR MESSAGE BY SENDING OUT THESE TWEETS IN RESPONSE SAYING HE IS TALKING TO CHINA AND UKRAINE ASKING FOR KIRT ON POLITICAL RIVALS WAS APPALLING. SHE SENDING A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE THAT HE WILL GO AFTER AND ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT AND HUMILIATE ANYONE THAT GOES UP AGAINST HIM DESPITE ALL OF THIS MESSAGING FROM REPUBLICANS THAT WE’RE SEEING FROM EVERY OTHER ANGLE, THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF IS BEING VERY CLEAR. THAT IS HIS WAY OF GETTING THROUGH THIS IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.>>AND WE’RE HEARING FROM MIKE P POMPEO THIS MORNING. HE DEFIED THIS SUSPECT, AND SHE SENDING THE MESSAGE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DOES INDEED WANT TO GO AFTER CORRUPTION. >>YEAH, THAT’S RIGHT, THIS WAS A PRESS CONFERENCE NEXT TO THE FOREIGN MINISTER OF GREECE. I WILL START WITH THE SECOND PART OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT GOING AFTER CORRUPTION, HE DID NOT TALK ABOUT BIDEN OR MENTION THE WORDS JOE BIDEN OR HUNTER BIDEN. HE JUST FOCUSED ON THE PART OF THIS THAT WAS ASKING UKRAINE TO WORK WITH THEM AND LOOK BACK AT THE 2016 ELECTION AND SEEING IF THERE WAS ANY INTERFERENCE. THAT IS TOTALLY OKAY NAP IS NOT AT THE CENTER OF THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. WHAT IS AT THE CENTER IS HE WAS ASKING FOR THEM TO DIG UP DIRT ON POLITICAL RIVALS. TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.>>THE STATE DEPARTMENT SENT A LETTER LAST NIGHT TO CONGRESS. WE WILL OBVIOUSLY DO ALL OF THE THINGS WE’RE REQUIRED TO DO BY LAW. I WAS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS ONCE. AND THERE IS AN ON APPLY INDICATION TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT OFFICIALS AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT.>>AND WE’RE STANDING BY TO SEE HOW THEY RESPOND TO THAT LETTER.>>JOE BIDEN ALSO SPOKE OUT ON THIS AND HE SAYS ALL OF THIS TALK OF CORRUPTION COMES FROM THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT EVER. THAT COMING FROM JOE BIDEN. MEANTIME, DAMMING TEXT MESSAGING GIVEN TO CONGRESS ARE NOW MUDDYING UP TRUMP’S CLAIM THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO BETWEEN HIS ADMINISTRATION AND UKRAINE. HOW SIGNIFICANT ARE THESE TEXT MESSAGES?>>IT GIVES US A REAL INSIDE LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE CAMPAIGN THAT WAS UNDER WAY TO HELP TRY TO INFLUENCE THE UKRAINIANS TO DO WHAT PRESIDENT WANTED THEM TO DO. THERE WAS A CAREER DIPLOMAT THAT RAISED CONCERNS THAT MILITARY AIDE COULD HAVE BEEN — IT WAS BEING HELD UP BECAUSE OF POLITICAL REASONS, BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, AND THAT IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THINGS WE SEE 1993 THESE TEXT MESSAGES. KURT VOLKER WAS TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT TO SAY HE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016. HE WRITES ABOUT THAT AND HE SAYS WE WILL NAIL DOWN A VISIT TO WASHINGTON. IF THEY CAN CONVINCE THE PRESIDENT TO GO ALONG WITH THIS THERE WOULD BE A VISIT TO THE UNITED STATES. THEN THERE IS MESSAGES FROM VOLKER GIULIANI. HE MENTIONED Z MAKING A STATEMENT, CAN WE ALL GET ON THE STATEMENT TO MAKE SURE I ADVISE Z CORRECTLY TO WHAT HE SHOULD BE SAYING. WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT DONE RIGHT AND HE RESPONDS THANKS. THIS IS A CAREER DIPLOMAT, DTEX MESSAGES FROM THE ACTING U.S. AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE AND HE WRITES TO THE U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE EU, POLITICAL APPOINTEE BY THE PRESIDENT, A FRIEND OF HIS. HE SAID I THINK IT IS CRAZY TO WITHHOLD SECURITY ASSISTANCE FOR HELP WITH A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN. AND FIVE HOURS LATER SONDLAND SAYS BILL, I BELIEVE YOU’RE INCORRECT ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S INTENTIONS. THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR, NO QUID PRO QUOS OF ANY KIND. AND THEN HE WRITES HE SUGGESTS THAT THEY STOP GOING BACK AND FORTH OVER TEXT AND THAT IF TAYLOR HAS ANY ISSUES HE SHOULD REACH OUT TO A COUPLE FOLKS ON THE PHONE OO R SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MEMBERS ON THE HILL ARE GOING TO ZERO IN ON. THAT WILL BE A BIG DAY AND THAT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW SONDLAND EXPLAINS ALL OF THIS.>>I WANT TO BRING IN JAMIE REUBEN. THE FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE UNDER SECRETARY CLINTON. GOOD TO SEE YOU. IN YOUR VIEW WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES FROM THE U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE MISSING A DEADLINE.>>THERE IS CLEARLY A STRUGGLE GOING ON BETWEEN THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE AND THE OFFICIALS THAT WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT. AND CONGRESS. IT IS UNUSUAL WHEN WE’RE DEALING WITH SPECIFICS LIKE THIS, THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FRANKLY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEPOLITICIZED. CERTAINLY ANYTHING RELATED TO CAMPAIGNS, AND AN EFFORT WAS MADE TO DEPOT LIT — DEPOLITICI THEM. HE SAYS ARE YOU SAYING IT IS OKAY NOW THAT WE WITHHOLD AIDE FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES? HOW ELSE DOES A DIP LOW MATH — DIPLOMAT TO GET A QUESTION FOR CLARITY SO THERE IS SOME RECORD.>>>>THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION TWOB HAVE A WHITE HOUSE INTERFERING, I REMEMBER WHEN GEORGE BUSH SENIOR ASKED FOR DOCUMENTS FOR BILL CLINTON AT A DEMONSTRATION. THERE WAS A BIG SCANDAL THAT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE TRUE, SO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEIR POLITICAL GENES REMOVED FROM THEIR BODY, BUT THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN HERE. I WAS STRUCK FRANKLY BY THE DEGREE TO WHICH SOME OF THE OFFICIALS THAT HAD BEEN FOREIGN POLICY EXPERTS THAT WERE FULLY PARTICIPATING IN WHAT WAS CLEARLY PRESSURE ON THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT. THERE IS A LONG HISTORY WHERE THE BUREAUCRACY HAS BEEN TOUGH ON RUSSIA, HELPING UKRAINE WITH EQUIPMENT, TRYING TO BUSH BACK WHILE THE WHITE HOUSE HAS HAD A DIFFERENT POLICY. AND YOU’RE SEEING THAT STRUGGLE PLAY OUT IN THESE TEXTS.>>CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IT MIGHT BE LIKE FOR VOLKER. ANY OTHER CAREER STATE DEPARTMENT OR LONG TIME STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE WHO IS BEING ASKED TO DO SOMETHING THAT FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE, POSSIBLY ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BUT DOES CARRY IT OUT. I DO BELIEVE IN THE WORK THAT WE’RE DOING AND THIS TOO, SHALL PASS? OR IS IT THAT I WILL DO IT AS LONG AS I CAN UNTIL I CAN’T ANY MORE. WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION FOR TOLERATING OR ENDURING WHAT YOU FEEL IS UNCOMFORTABLE? IF WE’RE ALL GOING TO BE HONEST, WE SHOULD ADMIT THAT SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS RUN FOR ELECTION THE STANDARDS BY WHICH GOVERNMENT BEHAVIOR HAD BEEN EXPECTED HAD CHANGED. THEY FIRST ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO HILLARY CLINTON’S E-MAILS AND THIS CONCEPT HAS CHANGED. BUT IT IS UP TO CONGRESS THAT WHETHER OR NOT THESE ENTAIL HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS, BUT BEYOND THAT THESE ARE ALL POLITICAL ISSUES. HERE IS THE BEST CASE I CAN MAKE. ALGer AN OFFICIAL IS TRYING TO T ON UKRAINE’S SIDE. THEY SHOW SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE, ALLOWS MILITARY AID TO BE PROVIDED, THEN YOU CRANE CAN FEEL MORE SAFE AND CURE THAT THEY WILL NOT CONTINUE THEIR AGGRESSION. SO IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE POLICY OF PREVENTING THEIR AGGRESSION, I CAN SEE YOU TAKING IT QUITE FAR SO FAR AS THESE POLITICAL QUESTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE FOR YEARS NOW WITHOUT ANY REAL ANSWERS FOR BUREAUCRATS WHO ARE TRYING TO, IN MANY CASES, DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT TO POINT OUT THAT PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO GET STUFF IN WRITING, AND THAT WHAT’S APP TEXTS ARE NOT THE BEST WAY TO GET YOUR INSTRUCTIONS. YOU SAW BILL TAYLOR THERE SAID IN EXASPERATION, I WOULD HAVE TO QUIT IF THE MILITARY AID WAS CUT OFF BECAUSE OF A REFUSAL TO DO THIS. IT IS GOING ON EVERY DAY AND THIS IS THE MOST STARK EXAMPLE. IF WE’RE GOING TO BE FRANK THE STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED ACRKRCRO THE BOARD IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.>>ALL RIGHT, STILL AHEAD WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP FACING SERIOUS LEGAL QUESTIONS, HE IS TURNING TO TWO OF HIS MOST TRUSTED SUPPORTERS, NOT LAWYERS, TO HEAD UP THE WHITE HOUSE’S RESPONSE. PLUS, UKRAINE SAYS THEY WILL NOW TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVING THE>>>WE ARE LEARNING NEW DETAILS ABOUT DEMOCRATS TODAY WIDENING THEIR SUMMARY. THEY ARE CALLING FOR DOCUMENTS THAT ARE HIGHLY DELICATE AROUND THE PRESIDENT’S CALLS WITH YOU CR — UKRAINE. JOINING ME NOW IS JEFF MASON, A WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR REUTER’S, GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH. LOTS OF CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS, SOME THAT HAVE GONE TO THE TESTIMONY AND OTHERS THAT TALK ABOUT DOCUMENTS AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE SECRETARY OF STATE THAT HAS MISSED THE DEADLINE THAT WAS YESTERDAY TO SUPPLY MATERIAL, HOW WILL THE COMMITTEES COMPEL SOMEONE TO COMPLY.>>THEY HAVE A FEW CHOICES. THEY COULD GO THE TRADITIONAL ROUTE WHICH IS TRY TO GET THEM TO COMPLY THROUGH CONTEMPT AND THEN SEEK A LEGAL CIVIL LAWSUIT. THEY COULD FORCE THE CONTEMPT THEMSELVES, USE THEIR INHERENT POWER TO DO THAT, AND GIVEN THE DIRECTION THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS GOING IN WHICH IS LET’S STONE WALL EVERYTHING THEY COULD SIMPLY ADD THAT STONE WALLING EFFORT TO ANOTHER ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT. THEY COULD ALSO DO ALL THREE. THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM. IF NO OPTION IS TAKEN BY INTENT, ARE THERE OTHER AVENUES TO TAKE?>>IF THE WHITE HOUSE DOESN’T PRUT THEM VOLUNTARILY THEY HAVE TO SEEK SOME COMPULSION. AND I THINK ULTIMATELY TRUMP HAS A SLIGHT MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE SUPREME COURT BUT HE GETS THE IDEA THAT HE ALWAYS WANTS TO RELY ON THEM. THEY’RE AIMING ON A FIGHT FOR EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE OR THEIR DOCTRINE OF IMMUNITY. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POLICY BASED. AND I THINK IT WILL BE HEADED THERE IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.>>THE PRESIDENT CONTINUES TO BE DEFIANT SAYING YEAH, I TALKED TO THEM, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE RUSSIA, IF YOU’RE LISTENING, AND TARGETING SENATOR MITT ROMNEY SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, SAYING LOTS OF TERRIBLE THINGS. IS THIS THE PRESIDENT’S DEFENSE STRATEGY AGAINST IMPEACHMENT? TIE TO GET THE WORD ON IT, IT DOESN’T MEAN IT WILL STAY THIS WAY, AS ONE INTENSIFIES ONE WOULD THINK OR THINK THEY WOULD WORK ON THAT, BUT SO FAR I THINK THAT THE MAIN PART OF THIS STRATEGY IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THE PRESIDENT’S TWEETS, IT IS THE PRESIDENT EXPRESSING HIS GRIE GRIEVANCES. AND IT IS SHOWING, THE FRUSTRATION IS VERY TRANSPARENT IN TERMS OF WHERE HE IS ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING, BUT IT HAS ALSO FRUSTRATED SOME OF HIS FELLOW REPUBLICANS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DEFEND HIM, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF A MORE ROBUST STRATEGY.>>YEAH, SEEING THE FRUSTRATION FROM THE PRESIDENT THIS WEEK, WHEN YOU’RE PRESSING HIM ON THE PERTINENT QUESTIONS, AND HE IS TRYING TO SAY I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM. AND HE IS LIKE I HAVE A FOLLOW UP BUT I REALLY NEED TO ANSWER THIS. AT THAT MOMENT DID YOU SEE IN THIS PRESIDENT A DIFFERENT — DIFFERENCE IN HOW HE IS HANDLING HIMSELF AND HOW HE IS BEING REVEALED IN HIS INTERACTIONS WITH YOU CRANE?>>I THINK WE HAVE SEEN HIM GET FRUSTRATED BEFORE. HE LASHED OUT AT ME THIS WEEK BUT IT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SEEN HIM DO THAT TO A JOURNALIST. I’M RELUCTANT TO SAY THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE, AND WE SO THAT WITH HIM OR IN HIM AT TIMES WHEN HE FEELS UNDER PRESSURE, AND THAT IS CLEARLY HOW HE IS FEELING WITH REGARD TO THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, THE COVERAGE OF IT AND THE DIRECTION IT IS MOVING.>>CHAN, HOW ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE WHITE HOUSE IMPEACHMENT TEAM BEING RUN BY A POLITICAL TEAM RATHER THAN A LEGAL ONE. WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE HERE?>>LOOKING BACK TO A TIME WHEN A FAMILY MEMBER WAS PART OF A CLOSE INNER CIRCLE. I THINK THEY’RE SOME OF THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE IN PLACE. POLITICAL COMMUNICATIONS AS JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT OR LEGAL, THEIR BIGGEST PROBLEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN THEIR CLIENT. TRUMP IS NOT ABLE TO STAY ON MESSAGE. HE GETS RID OF SOMEONE WHOSE MESSAGE HE DOESN’T LIKE, SO WHATEVER THE STRATEGY YOU JUST CAN’T EXECUTE>>THANKS, FRED, GOOD TO SEE YOU.>>STILL AHEAD, BERNIE SANDERS VOWING TO GET BACK ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL>>>WELCOME BACK, SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS CONFIRMED THAT BERNIE SANDERS HAD A HEART ATTACK EARLIER THIS WEEK. HE WAS RELEASED FROM A LAS VEGAS HOSPITAL YESTERDAY. DESPITE THE SCARE, HE IS REASSURING SUPPORTERS THAT HE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. RYAN, OTHER THAN OBVIOUS HEALTH CONCERNS HOW ARE THEY FEELING?>>THEY’RE PUTTING ON A BRAVE FACE, ACTING LIKE THIS OPPORTUNITY MATTER AT ALL. AS A RESULT HE WILL BE BACK OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL VERY SOON. THAT IS WHAT SANDERS TOLD HIS SUPPORTERS LAST NIGHT IN A VIDEO MESSAGE. TAKE A LISTEN.>>HELLO, EVERYBODY, WE’RE IN LAS VEGAS, I JUST GOT OUT OF THE HOSPITAL A FEW HOURS AGO. AND I AM FEELING SO MUCH BETTER. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THE LOVE AND WARM PUSHES YOU SENT TO ME.>>I DON’T THINK THERE IS ANY DOUBT THAT HE DOES FEEL A LOT BETTER. THIS HAS IMPROVED HIS HEALTH QUITE A BIT BUT THERE IS A POLITICAL REALITY HERE, HE IS A 78-YEAR-OLD MAN THAT JUST SUFFERED A HEART ATTACK. BUT THE CAMPAIGN CONTINUES, THEY’RE RELAUNCHING A $1.3 MILLION AD BUY IN IOWA ON TUESDAY. THEY HAVE SURROGATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON TUESDAY. THEY SAY THE CAMPAIGN MOVES FORWARD BUT THE ONLY THING THE COMMITTED TO IN THE NEAR FUTURE WAS THE OCTOBER DEMOCRATIC DEBATE.>>TO THE FLIP SIDE, HIS FINAL HEALTH IS QUITE REBOBUST, ISN’T IT?>>YEAH, IT IS A MASSIVE NUMBER FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER GOING INTO 2020, NO OTHER CAMPAIGN WILL COME CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER. ELIZABETH WARREN WILL REPORT $27.5 MILLION ON HAND. THIS IS NOT A CONCERN. HE HAS A LOT OF SUPPORTERS AND A SIGNIFICANT WAR EXIST, AND THE REASON THAT CANDIDATES GET OUT OF RACES IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR POLL NUMBERS, IT IS BECAUSE THEY RUN OUT OF MONEY. HE IS LIKELY IN THIS RACE FOR THE LONG HAUL.>>ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>>SO WITH ALL OF THIS SQUWIRLG AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE, HOW>>>YOU UKRAINE SAYS THEY WILL REVIEW EARLIER INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE SON OF FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE WIDEN. HERE IS WHAT UKRAINE’S CURRENT DEPUTY PROSECUTOR SAID THIS WEEK.>>DO YOU THINK THAT SHE A RELIABLE WITNESS?>>WE’RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS THE ALLEGATION AGAINST MR. BIDEN.>>BUT YOU WORKED WITH HIM. DID YOU TRUST HIM?>>I THOUGHT HE WAS A RELIABLE PERSON. PRESIDENT TRUMP PRESSURING THE LEAD TORE INVESTIGATION BOTH L BIDENS DONING A PHONE CALL IN JULY. SO DO WE KNOW IF THIS LATEST DECISION TO REVIEW CASES TARGETING THE COMPANY, WAS THIS PROMPTED BY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE IN THE UNITED STATES? OR BY THE INITIAL CALLS?>>IT IS HARD TO SAY WITH ANY CLARITY, BUT CERTAINLY THE POSITION OF THE UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS, HIS BOSS WAS ADDIMENT THAT HE WAS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO BIGGER FISH THEY HAVE TO FRY, WIDER AND MORE FINALLY DAMAGING TO UKRAINE RATHER THAN THE MINUTIA OF WHETHER OR NOT HUNTER BIDEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD OF THE UKRAINIAN GAS COMPANY. BUT IF ONE LOOKS AT THE EXCHANGE OF TWEETS IN THE UKRAINE AND THE NEW UKRAINIAN ADMINISTRATION, YOU CAN SEE A DEGREE OF PRESSURE BEING BROUGHT ON THE GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO THAT THEY WANTED SPECIFICALLY THE ROLE OF UKRAINE IN THE 2016 ELECTIONS MENTIONED AND THE BIDENS. THEY GOT NEITHER AND ULTIMATELY I THINK REALLY WHAT THE UKRAINIANS HAVE FOUND IS A FORM THAT THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS. THEY WERE VERY KEEN THERE FOR IT TO TLAESZ THIS IS A COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T CAVE INTO POLITICAL PRESSURE. REMEMBER THEY HAVE A WAR GOING ON WITH RUSSIAN SUPPORTED REBELS IN THE EAST, THAT IS THEIR PRINCIPAL FOCUS, FRED.>>OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WITH U.S. CONGRESS IN FALL RECESS, MANY ARE MEETING WITH CONSTITUENTS IN THEIR HOME DISTRICTS. WHAT VOTERS ARE SAYING, NEXT.>>>RIGHT NOW THERE ARE JUST NINE HOUSE DEMOCRAT THAT’S ARE WITHHOLDING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY INTO PRESIDENT TRUMP. RIGHT NOW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE ALL ON BREAK HOLDING TOWN HALLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >>HEY, FRED, GOOD AFTERNOON. ONE OF THOSE REPRESENTATIVES IS MAX ROSE, THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN, ONE OF THE LAST IN NEW YORK CITY, THAT WAS A HOLD OUT WHEN IT CAME TO DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO SUPPORT THIS IMPEACHMENT MMENT PROBE, BUT HE HIS NAME TO THE LIST OF MODERATES SUPPORTING NANCY PELOSI’S EFFORTS TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS IMPEACHMENT INQ INQUIRY.>>IT IS A CHANGE OF HEART FOR MORE MODERATE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS WHO AT ONE POINT REFUSED TO GO ANYWHERE NEAR THE WORD IMPEACHMENT.>>I HAVE NOT BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY UP UNTIL NOW. IT PROMPTED A NOT SO WARM RESPONSE. THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD REACHED OUT TO A FOREIGN LEADER AND ASKED HIM TO DIG UP DIRT ON AN OPPONENT. IMPEACHMENT ALSO ON THE MINDS OF MAX ROSES DISTRICT. AND A FRIDAY NIGHT TOWN HALL THAT THE DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER TO BACK HIS DECISION FOR IMPEACHMENT.>>WE’RE GOING TO PUSH AND PUSH AND PUSH SO WE MAKE SURE WE’RE HOLDING THIS WHITE HOUSE TO A STANDARD. DESPITE THAT THERE WAS LITTLE EVIDENCE OF ANY ANGER AT THE TOWN HALL THIS WEEK EVEN MONEY NONDEMOCRATS LIKE ROY RUSSO.>>I THINK THAT IS A POLITICAL THING HE ALMOST HAS TO DO BECAUSE SHE A FRESHMAN CONGRESSMAN. IT IS A POLITICAL PARTY AND HE HAS TO SUPPORT IT. IT DOESN’T AFFECT MY THINKING ABOUT HIM OR THE IMPEACHMENT.>>MANY OF THE CONSTITUENTS SAY THAT IMPEACHMENT IS NOT A TOP PRIORITY, BUT IT IS FOR DEMOCRATS LIKE ROSE, HE HAS A MESSAGE FOR CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS.>>THEY CAN SHOW SOME POLITICAL COURAGE AND INTEGRITY AS WE SEEK TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT PERCEIVES TO BE A SERIOUS ISSUE OF CORRUPTION AND NATIONAL SECURITY.>>HE ALSO TOLD ME IT WILL NOT DISTRACT HIM FROM SOME OF THOSE. BUT AS ROSE SAID SHE VERY WELL AWARE THAT MANY WILL BE UPSET WITH HIS DECISION, AND HIS ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT TO USE HIS WORD HE BELIEVE THERE’S ARE MANY THAT WILL BE ELATED, AS WELL.>>AND NOT JUST DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING AN EARFUL, RIGHT? J JONI ERENST OF IOWA GOT AN EARFUL AS WELL.>>HE IS PUSHING ALLIES ASIDE AND MAKING FUN OF THEM ON TWITTER. AND WE END UP WITH OH, WE LOVE PEOPLE FROM NORTH KOREA, OR WE LOVE RUSSIA. I UNDERSTAND IT IS A NON-ANSWER ANSWER.>>YOU DON’T HAVE TO SPEAK FOR HIM, YOU CAN SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.>>NORTH KOREA NOT OUR FRIEND, RUSSIA NOT OUR FRIEND. I MADE THAT VERY CLEAR AND HE KNOWS WHERE I STAND ON THOSE ISSUES. >>WHAT ABOUT WHISTLE-BLOWERS?>>I SAID THAT, TOO. WHISTLE-BLOWERS SHOULD BE PROTECTED. I STAND WITH CHUCK GRASSLEY ON THIS. WE HAVE LAWS IN PLACE, AGAIN, LAWS NEED TO BE ENFORCED.>>SO DOES THIS EXEMPLIFY THOSE THAT ARE FEELING EMBOLDENED TO TALK TO THESE OFFICIALS. THEY ARE TALKING TO THEIR REPRES REPRESENTATION, FACE TO FACE, TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY THINK AND FEEL.>>I THINK WE HEARD NOT JUST FROM THE REPUBLICAN FROM IOWA BUT THE DEMOCRAT FROM NEW YORK, THEY’RE HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE HERE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MAX ROSE, HE IS A DEMOCRAT REPRESENTING A RED DISTRICT, AND JONI IS A REPUBLICAN SENATOR FROM A REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH, APPRECIATE IT.>>WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE STRAIGHT AHEAD, BUT FIRST MEAT THIS WEEK’S CNN HERO, ROBIN CAROL.>>I STARTED COMING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE LOTS WERE EMPTY, THE HOUSES WERE GETTING BOARDED UP, AND PEOPLE WERE NOT COMING OUTSIDE. I STOOD ON THE CORNER AND ASKED EVERYONE WALKING BY ARE YOU INTERESTED IN TAKING BACK YOUR COMMUNITY. EVERYONE SAID ABSOLUTELY YES, WE’RE A BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS SPACE. WE’RE GOING TO GET THERE AND WE’LL WORK THROUGH ALL OF WHAT IS HOLDING YOU BACK TO BECOMING THE PERSON AND THE POTENTIAL THAT YOU HAVE TO BE. HER SECURITY DETAIL IS EXPECTED TO RACK UP MORE THAN $26 MILLION IN PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FIRST TERM. LET’S BRING IN A FORMER CREDIT SERVICE AGENT UNDER PRESIDENT BALM. TRYING TO OFFER PROTECTION FOR THE EDUCATION SECRETARY, THERE IS A MINIMUM, RIGHT? I THINK FIRST OF ALL, CLOSE PROTECTION AND EXECUTIVE PROTECTION NEED TO FOLLOW A METHOD BASED IDEOLOGY. IT IS THE MEANS, OPPORTUNITY, OR INTENT FOR SOMEONE TO CAUSE PHYSICAL HARM TOWARDS THAT INDIVIDUAL. I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT I’M FAILING TO SEE ARE THE THREAT INDICATORS THAT WOULD WARRANT THIS LEVEL OF PROTECTION.>>WOULD THAT BE PUBLIC INFORMATION? JUST ACCORDING TO T”THE WASHINGTON POST” ARTICLE, THE MARSHAL SERVICE SAID THEY REGULARLY CONDUCT THREAT ASSESSMENTS ON MRS. DEVOS. DOES THAT SPEAK TO WHAT YOU’RE ABOUT TO SAY?>>YES, I HOLD THE U.S. MARSHALL SERVICE IN THE UTMOST RESPECT. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GENESIS OF WHEN THEY TOOK OVER THIS OPERATION IN 2017 WHEN THEY ENCOUNTERED PROTESTERS. IN THIS INSTANCE WE HAVE NOT SEEN OTHER INDIVIDUALS BEING ARRESTED FOR MAKING THREATS, SO I JUST REALLY QUESTION THE VORACITY OF THE THREAT ENVIRONMENT.>>AND THIS IS WHY YOU TWEETED OUT THAT YOU THINK THIS, OR YOU’RE HOPING THAT THIS IS NOT VANITY PROTECTION DETAIL?>>ABSOLUTELY, IF THIS IS A VANITY DETAIL IT UNDER MINES THE CREDIT IBLT OF THE– CREDIBILIT THE PROTECTIVE CONSTRUCT. COMING UP, DECLASSIFIED TAKES A LOOK AT A CLASSIC FOLLOW THE MONEY INVESTIGATION. TAKE A LOOK.>>MY ROLE IN THE INVESTIGATION WAS AT THE PROSECUTOR, THE ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE EARN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND I WAS A MEMBER OF THE ELDORADO TASK FORCE. IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT ON IT’S SURFACE, IT WAS A REGULAR MONEY REMITTER STORE, BUT THAT WAS REALLY A FRONT. TELE AUSTIN DID 3% LEGITIMATE BUSINESS AND

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