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>>>ALL RIGHT. GOOD FRIDAY MORNING. I’M POPPY HARLOW.>>I’M JIM SCIUTTO. PRESIDENT TRUMP ONCE CALLED HER BAD NEWS. THE MAJOR QUESTION THIS MORNING, WILL HE LET HER TESTIFY TO CONGRESS AS PART OF ITS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. THE FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE, MARIE YOVANOVITCH, A RESPECTED DIPLOMAT OF MANY DECADES, AS OF RIGHT NOW EXPECTED TO ARRIVE ON CAPITOL HILL AT ANY MOMENT. BUT WILL SHE BE BLOCKED LIKE THE EU AMBASSADOR WAS AT THE LAST MINUTE.>>HER TESTIMONY COULD BE INTRIGUING BASED ON HOW SHE WAS TREATED BY THES WHO. FORCED FROM HER POST EARLY, THEN ATTACKED BY RUDY GIULIANI AND HIS ALLIES AND THE PRESIDENT FOR AN ALLEGED TRUMP BIAS. WE’LL SEE IF SHE’S GOING TO TALK. WE’RE ALSO FOLLOWING NEW DEVELOPMENTS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL LAWYER AND HIS TWO CLOSE ASSOCIATES WHO WERE ARRESTED HOLDING ONE-WAY TICKETS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. TWO SOVIET-BORN MEN ARRESTED JUST BEFORE BOARDING A PLANE TO EUROPE WERE INDICTED ON CHARGES OF ILLEGALLY FUNNELING MONEY INTO DONATIONS TO REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGNS. THOSE TWO ARE CENTRAL FIGURES ALSO IN RUDY GIULIANI’S EFFORTS TO DIG UP DIRT ON PRESIDENT TRUMP’S POLITICAL RIVAL JOE BIDEN.>>THEIR TICKETS TO EUROPE WERE ONE-WAY TICKETS. NOW CONGRESS WANTS TO TALK TO THEM. THE PRESIDENT DENIES KNOWING THEM, DESPITE PICTURES WITH HIM AND HIS SON THAT SAY OTHERWISE. SO MUCH TO GET TO. LET’S BEGIN WITH CNN’S LAUREN FOX ON CAPITOL HILL. LAUREN, SO WE’RE DOWN TO THE WIRE HERE NOW. IF SHE IS NOT BLOCKED, SHE’D BE THE SECOND OFFICIAL INTERVIEWED AS PART OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND A CENTRAL WITNESS TO THIS INVESTIGATION.>>THAT’S RIGHT. AND I’LL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW AIDES AND MEMBERS ARE OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT SHE WILL SHOW UP. I JUST SAW ADAM SCHIFF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. HE DIDN’T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE STILL EXPECTED HER TO BE HERE BUT THE FACT HE’S HERE, MEMBERS AND AIDES ARE OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT SHE’LL SHOW UP. WE’LL LET YOU KNOW IF SHE’S ULTIMATELY BLOCKED AT THE LAST MINUTE LIKE GORDON SONDLAND WAS EARLIER THIS WEEK. DEMOCRATS HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR HER ABOUT WHAT SHE KNEW ABOUT THE HOLD-UP OF THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY AID AND ANY OTHER FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES THAT WERE GOING ON IN THE U.S. RELATIONSHIP WITH UKRAINE. WHAT SHE KNOWS ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI’S ROLE IN THE FOREIGN RELATIONS DEPARTMENT WHEN IT CAME TO UKRAINE. ALL OF THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE KEY TOPICS THAT DEMOCRATS WANT TO TALK TO HER ABOUT LATER THIS MORNING.>>WELL, ONE INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT JUST THIS MORNING AS WELL IS THAT SONDLAND IS NOW GOING TO TALK. HE WAS SUBPOENAED. THE FORMER U.N. AMBASSADOR. IT SOUNDS LIKE HE’S GOING TO APPEAR NEXT WEDNESDAY. IS THAT RIGHT?>>THAT’S RIGHT. SO OCTOBER 17th, HE WILL APPEAR ON CAPITOL HILL. HE SAYS HE’S GOING TO COMPLY WITH THAT SUBPOENA. AND THAT COMES, OF COURSE, JUST DAYS AFTER ULTIMATELY HE WAS BLOCKED WHEN HE WAS GOING TO COME VOLUNTARILY. A BIG WEEK UP NEXT WEEK ON CAPITOL HILL. FIONA HILL WILL TESTIFY ON MONDAY BEFORE THESE COMMITTEES. SHE WAS A FORMER TOP ADVISER TO THE PRESIDENT ON RUSSIA. SO VERY BIG WEEK AHEAD NEXT WEEK. IT JUST SHOWS YOU THE BREAK-NECK PACE FOR WHICH DEMOCRATS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. JIM AND POPPY?>>LAUREN FOX, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT REPORTING. I GUESS WE’LL KNOW IF SHE’S GOING TO TESTIFY.>>WE WILL. AND A CHANGE, IT WOULD BE BY THE ADMINISTRATION. CONNECTED TO ALL OF THIS, WE’RE LEARNING THE REASON WHY A TOP AIDE TO MIKE POMPEO IS RESIGNING. THE SOURCE TELLING CNN THAT MICHAEL McKINLEY RESIGNED BECAUSE OF CONCERNS OVER SILENCE IN THE TOP RANKS OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY. THE LACK OF A DEFENSE OF THE FORMER AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH. THAT SOURCE SAID McKINLEY HAD BEEN CONSIDERING RESIGNING FOR WEEKS. WITH MORE ON THE TWO MEN INDICTED ON CHARGES OF ILLEGALLY FUNNELING FOREIGN MONEY INTO GOP CAMPAIGN DONATIONS, LET’S GO TO CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT JESSICA SCHNEIDER. THIS IS A REMARKABLE STORY OF FOREIGN MONEY GOING DIRECTLY TO A U.S. CANDIDATE FOR OFFICE IN EXCHANGE, IT SEEMS, FOR A FAVOR.>>RIGHT. A LOT OF FUNNELING OF MONEY HERE, JIM, LIKE YOU SAID. FOREIGN MONEY AS WELL. AND THE DRAMATIC ARRESTS OF RUDY GIULIANI’S TWO ASSOCIATES. IT’S STILL SENDING SHOCKWAVES THROUGH WASHINGTON, ALL AMID QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS ARREST, HOW THESE TWO MEN WILL PLAY INTO THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. LEV PARNAS AND IGOR FRUMAN COULD BE KEY BECAUSE RUDY GIULIANI HAS SAID THESE MEN HELPED HIM DIG UP DIRT ON JOE BIDEN IN UKRAINE AND INTRODUCED GIULIANI TO CURRENT AND FORMER UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS. PLUS, THIS INDICTMENT ALLEGES THAT THEY ASKED A FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN, WHO WE KNOW TO BE PETE SESSIONS, FOR HELP GETTING MARIE YOVANOVITCH FIRED, WHICH SHE WAS EVENTUALLY IN MAY. INTERESTINGLY, RUDY GIULIANI NOW SAYING HE WAS PLANNING TO FLY TO VIENNA AUSTRIA ON THURSDAY NIGHT. THAT WAS THE SAME CITY WHERE THOSE TWO ASSOCIATES WERE HEADED WITH ONE-WAY TICKETS BEFORE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS GOT WIND OF THEIR PLANS AND THE FBI MOVED IN QUICKLY TO DULLES AIRPORT JUST OUTSIDE D.C. TO MAKE THOSE ARRESTS. YOU SAW THAT THEY ARE NOW CHARGED WITH FUNNELING FOREIGN MONEY INTO U.S. ELECTIONS. AND THAT INCLUDES MORE THAN $300,000 TO A TRUMP ALIGNED SUPERPAC. THAT PAC HAS SINCE SAID THAT IT HAS SEPARATED THE MONEY. IT HAS NOT BEEN USED. THE MEN ALSO IN THIS INDICTMENT ALLEGEDLY SAYING THAT THEY RECEIVED $1 MILLION FROM AN UNKNOWN RUSSIAN NATIONAL. THAT WAS USED TO FUNNEL MONEY TO STATE POLITICAL CANDIDATES. AND, OF COURSE, NOW THE QUESTIONS ARE SWIRLING IN REGARD TO RUDY GIULIANI. TOP SENATE DEMOCRAT CHUCK SCHUMER SAYING THAT GIULIANI NEEDS TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE’S NOW CLEARLY CONNECTED TO THESE TWO MEN. AND INTERESTINGLY, WE’VE ALSO LEARNED THAT GIULIANI’S FINANCIAL DEALINGS WITH THE TWO MEN ARE UNDER SCRUTINY BY THE FED. SO HOW THIS PERTAINS AND WHAT WE SAW IN COURT YESTERDAY, WE DID SEE LEV PARNSA AND IGOR FRUMAN MADE THEIR APPEARANCE IN COURT. THEY ARE BEING HELD ON $1 MILLION BOND. OF COURSE, THEY WILL ULTIMATELY BE EXTRADITED TO NEW YORK WHERE THEY FACE THOSE CHARGES IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND MANHATTAN.>>THE BRAZENNESS OF ALL THIS, HOW DIRECT THAT FOREIGN MONEY WAS COMING INTO U.S. POLITICS JUST REMARKABLE. THANKS VERY MUCH.>>JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THIS, CONGRESSMAN DANNY HECK. A MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.>>YOU’RE WELCOME.>>SO YOU ARE, AS I UNDERSTAND, PLANNING TO QUESTION MARIE YOVANOVITCH IN SHORT ORDER. YOU STILL THINK SHE’S GOING TO SHOW UP?>>IN JUST A FEW MINUTES I’LL HEAD DOWN TO WHAT WE CALL THE BUNKER WHICH IS THE SECURED COMPARTMENTAL INFORMATION WHERE ALL INTEL COMMITTEE DELIBERATIONS ARE HELD. I DO EXPECT HER TO SHOW UP. EVERY INDICATION IS THAT SHE WILL.>>SO, LET’S SEE IF THAT HAPPENS AND THE PROCESS PLAYS OUT. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM HER? WHAT ARE THE KEY QUESTIONS YOU’D LIKE TO ASK HER SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HER TIME IN UKRAINE AND CONGRESSMAN, HOW IT ENDED?>>WELL, FRANKLY, AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING LIKE I’M CHANNELING SENATOR BAKER FROM THE WATERGATE ERA, I’D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SHE KNEW AND WHEN SHE KNEW IT. IT WAS HARDLY A WEEK AGO WHEN WE WERE BEING ASKED, WHAT ELGS DO WE HAVE TO LEARN? DON’T WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION WITH THE RECORD OF THE CALL THE PRESIDENT ENGAGED IN WHEN HE SAID, I NEED YOU TO DO A FAVOR, THOUGH. WHAT ELSE DID WE NEED TO LEARN? AND IN THAT ENSUING WEEK, WE’VE LEARNED A LOT. THE VOLCKER TEXTS, THE TWO ASSOCIATES OF RUDY GIULIANI ARRESTED. SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, THAT’S WHY WE HAVE THEM IN. THAT’S WHY WE DEPOSE THEM. THAT’S WHY WE ASK THEM QUESTIONS TO LEARN MORE THAT WE DIDN’T KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.>>STAND BY. LET’S SEE IF THAT HAPPENS. MOVING ON TO THE ISSUE OF IMPEACHMENT. YOU’VE BEEN CALLING FOR THE PRESIDENT’S IMPEACHMENT SINCE JULY 28th IN THE WAKE OF THE MUELLER REPORT IN HIS TESTIMONY. BUT AT THIS POINT, ONE OF THE KEY QUESTIONS IS WHETHER OR NOT HOUSE DEMOCRATS WILL TAKE A FORMAL VOTE ON AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD?>>A FORMAL VOTE IS NOT REQUIRED IN THE CONSTITUTION OR IN THE HOUSE RULES. LET US REMIND OURSELVES OF THAT.>>DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD, DESPITE REQUIREMENTS OR NOT?>>POPPY, I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS PUT THAT LINE OF THINKING OUT IN ORDER TO DISTRACT US FROM HIS UNDERLYING CRIME, SOLICITING FOREIGN ASSISTANCE FROM A FOREIGN NATIONAL GOVERNMENT WHICH IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW. IT MATTERS NOT TO ME WHETHER A VOTE IS TAKEN OR NOT. THE COMMITTEES THEMSELVES STILL HAVE THE SAME AUTHORITY WITH OR WITHOUT THAT VOTE. SO, FRANKLY, POPPY, LISTEN, DO YOU THINK THERE IS A SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET WHO BELIEVES THAT THE PRESIDENT WILL STOP OBSTRUCTING IF THAT VOTE IS TAKEN?>>HERE’S WHY I ASK. AND I HEAR YOUR ARGUMENT, BUT LET ME GET YOUR TAKE ON THIS. IT’S NOT JUST THE WHITE HOUSE OR PRESIDENT CALLING FOR THIS OR THAT LETTER. IT’S ALSO SOME OF YOUR FELLOW DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. LISTEN TO CONGRESSMAN JOHN GARIMONDI WHO WE HAD ON EARLIER THIS WEEK. >>IT’S TIME FOR US TO PUT A VOTE ON THE FLOOR. A RESOLUTION FOR THE INQUIRY STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH FULL POWER OF THE CONGRESS BEHIND IT. I THINK THAT’S PROBABLY GOING TO COME IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.>>WHAT TELLS YOU THAT?>>WELL, THE LETTER FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. ABSOLUTELY. THEY WANT A FIGHT. OKAY. THEN LET US ARM OURSELVES COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY WITH THE FULL POWER OF CONGRESS. THE VOTES, I’M SURE, ARE THERE.>>HE SAID IT WOULD ARM YOU MORE. IS HE WRONG?>>WELL, OF COURSE, I LOVE JOHN. HE’S A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THERE ISN’T ONE ADDITIONAL LEVER OR ONE ADDITIONAL POWER THAT ANY OF THE COMMITTEES WILL HAVE IF THAT VOTE IS TAKEN. WE’RE SPENDING OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS, NOT THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT VIOLATED FEDERAL LAW. NOT THE FACT HE BETRAYED HIS OATH OF OFFICE. NOT THE FACT HE’S COMPROMISED OUR NATIONAL SECURITY BY HIS BEHAVIOR. SO IF WE TAKE THE VOTE, I’M FINE. IF WE DON’T, ALL THE COMMITTEES HAVE THE SAME POWERS THEY WOULD HAD WE TAKEN THE VOTE.>>EXCEPT IT WOULD ALSO SET RULES. FOR EXAMPLE, REPUBLICANS ARGUING THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE SUBPOENA POWER. DO YOU THINK THAT THEY SHOULD?>>OKAY. IF WE WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS, I’LL GO THERE WITH YOU. THE REASON THESE VOTES TAKEN BY THE FULL HOUSE WERE TAKEN HISTORICALLY IS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE MANNER IN WHICH COMMITTEES WERE GIVEN SUBPOENA POWER. BUT WHEN THE REPUBLICANS WERE IN THE MAJORITY, THEY CHANGED THE HOUSE RULES — >>IN 2015.>>TO GIVE COMMITTEES SUBPOENA POWER.>>SO YOUR POINT IS THIS IS UNNECESSARY. THIS IS A DISTRACTION?>>YES. PURE AND SIMPLE.>>SO AS YOU WAIT FOR THIS TESTIMONY FROM MARIE YOVANOVITCH AND YOU WAIT FOR THE TESTIMONY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO COME NEXT WEEK, ARE YOU ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AMBASSADOR SONDLAND IS GOING TO APPEAR ON THURSDAY DUE TO THE SUBPOENA?>>JERGELY SPEAKING, I’M ENCOURAGED THAT EVIDENTLY AN INCREASING NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO COME FORWARD AND TO SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER. WE HAVE A PERSONAL ADVISER TO SECRETARY OF STATE POMPEO RESIGNED BASICALLY IN PROTEST OVER THIS. WE HAVE THE SECOND WHISTLE-BLOWER COME FORWARD. NOW WE HAVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT AMBASSADOR SONDLAND BEING WILLING TO COME FORWARD. I THINK THERE IS A STEADY DRUM BEAT THAT’S INCREASING IN ITS LOUDNESS, AND IN ITS BREADTH AND DEPTH. I’M ENCOURAGED BY THAT. I’VE SAID ALL ALONG THERE WERE PATRIOTS THROUGHOUT THE ADMINISTRATION THAT ARE DEEPLY BOTHERED BY THIS BEHAVIOR AND ARE INCREASINGLY WILLING TO SPEAK UP. YOU BET I’M ENCOURAGED BY IT.>>WE KNOW YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY MORNING WITH THIS COMING UP. THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME >>>IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE IS EXPECTED TO TESTIFY TO CONGRESS’S PART OF HIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. WILL THE WHITE HOUSE BLOCK HER TESTIMONY AT THE LAST MINUTE LIKE THEY DID EARLIER THIS WEEK WITH THE EU AMBASSADOR.>>JUST MINUTES AWAY. WE’LL KNOW VERY SOON. LET’S DISCUSSSABRINA, AND RENATO, A CNN LEGAL ANALYST. SO IF AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH GOES FORWARD TODAY, IF WE BELIEVE THAT AMBASSADOR SONDLAND, BASED ON HIS STATEMENT TO CNN MOMENTS AGO THAT HE’LL TESTIFY NEXT WEEK, THEIR TESTIMONY, DOES THAT GIVE HOUSE DEMOCRATS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO COMPLETE THAT END OF THIS INQUIRY HERE? DO THEY NEED MORE TESTIMONY BEYOND THAT?>>THEY’D LIKE TO HAVE MORE, BUT GIVEN THE TIGHT SCHEDULE THAT THEY SAY THAT THEY’RE ON, WE’VE HAD LAWMAKERS SAY THAT THEY WANT TO GET THIS DONE BY THE HOLIDAYS. I THINK THEY’RE GOING TO TAKE THAT EVIDENCE AND MOVE FORWARD. THAT GETS THEM THE STORY AROUND UKRAINE AND, FRANKLY, THE PRESIDENT’S OWN STATEMENTS AND THE TRANSCRIPT THAT WAS RELEASED, THE ROUGH TRANSCRIPT, THE READ-OUT, THAT’S SUFFICIENT TO PROVE WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID. I SUSPECT THAT’S GOING TO BE ENOUGH.>>THAT’S REMARKABLE TO IMAGINE WHAT THAT TESTIMONY, MOVING FORWARD ON THAT TIMELINE.>>POLITICALLY SPEAKING, YOU HAVE SOME REPORTING AND YOU KNOW THAT GIULIANI DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY WHAT WE’VE SEEN IN THE LAST 24 HOURS, HAVE RATTLED REPUBLICANS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE THIS WEEK. HOW SO?>>LOOK, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, REPUBLICANS ARE CLEARLY IN A PRETTY TIGHT POLITICAL BOX WHERE THEY’RE NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE CRITICIZING WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DEFINITELY DONE AND WHAT HE IS ALLEGED TO HAVE DONE. AND THEY’RE ALSO NOT REALLY FULLY COMFORTABLE DEFENDING IT EITHER. SO THEY HAVE BEEN MOVING INTO THIS SPACE WHERE THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO, FOR THE MOST PART, THIS IS NOT TRUE OF ALL REPUBLICANS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART TRYING TO SIDE STEP THE SUBSTANCE OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS AND JUST TALK ABOUT DEMOCRATIC PARTISANSHIP. IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT AS A RESULT OF PARTISANSHIP OF ANY KIND, LET ALONE DEMOCRATIC PARTISANSHIP. AND IT’S A REMINDER TO A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE INCLINED TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT AS A GENERAL MATTER BUT WARY OF IT UNDER THESE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT THEY REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE OVERALL TOTAL SCOPE OF THESE ISSUES IS GOING TO BE.>>I’VE GOT TO SHAKE MY HEAD AT THAT. THAT PHENOMENON, BECAUSE HERE YOU HAVE THE MOST DIRECT EVIDENCE YOU COULD IMAGINE OF FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN A U.S. ELECTION. FOREIGN MONEY ROUTED TO A U.S. POLITICAL CANDIDATE. IT APPEARS IN EXCHANGE FOR A FAVOR GETTING RID OF THIS AMBASSADOR WHO IS ABOUT TO TESTIFY. I MEAN, THAT’S A REMARKABLE THING, IS IT NOT, FOR EVEN SUPPORTERS OF THE PRESIDENT OR OTHER GOP LAWMAKERS TO STAY SILENT ON?>>WELL, I THINK REPUBLICANS AND THE PRESIDENT’S SUPPORTERS ARE WRESTLING WITH THE FACT THAT WHAT SEPARATES THIS INVESTIGATION FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION IS THE PRESIDENT’S CONDUCT IS VERY MUCH OUT IN THE OPEN. THERE’S NO DOUBT THAT THE PRESIDENT DID, IN FACT, ASK HIS COUNTERPART IN UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE HIS OWN POLITICAL OPPONENT. THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED AND, OBVIOUSLY, THERE’S THE SUMMARY OF THE CALL THAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS ITSELF RELEASED. YOU’VE SINCE SEEN TESTIMONY, TEXT MESSAGES THAT WERE RELEASED TO CONGRESS BY KURT VOLKER, THE FORMER SPECIAL ENVOY TO UKRAINE SHOWING INDIVIDUALS ACTING ON THE PRESIDENT’S BEHALF SUGGESTING THAT A MEETING BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT ZELENSKY WAS CONTINGENT UPON THE UKRAINIANS LAUNCHING AN INVESTIGATION. IT’S DIFFICULT TO REPUBLICANS TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT ON THE SUBSTANCE. THAT’S WHY WHAT YOU SEE THEM DOING IS TRYING TO GO AFTER THE PROCESS. AND ACCUSING DEMOCRATS OF A WITCH HUNT AND JUST TRYING TO GO AFTER THE WAY IN WHICH SOME OF THESE COMPLAINTS HAVE BECOME PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. I DON’T KNOW HOW LONG THEY’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN THAT LINE OF REASONING BECAUSE YOU HAVE THESE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE CLIPS NOW DOING THE ROUNDS OF VULNERABLE REPUBLICAN SENATORS LIKE CORY GARDNER IN COLORADO, LIKE JOANI ERNST. WHETHER IT’S APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO SEEK FOREIGN INTERFERENCE INVESTIGATING HIS POLITICAL RIVAL. SO THEY ARE CERTAINLY FEELING A GREAT DEAL OF PRESSURE AND AS MORE AND MORE INDIVIDUALS TESTIFY ON CAPITOL HILL, WE’LL SEE IF SOME OF THESE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE CONCERNS DO, IN FACT, BREAK WITH THE PRESIDENT.>>SO LET’S LISTEN TO THAT CORY GARDNER SOUND FOR A MOMENT. I THINK IT EXEMPLIFIES WHAT YOU JUST LAID OUT. HERE IT IS.>>BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR A PRESIDENT — >>LOOK, I THINK WE’RE GOING TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION. IT’S A NONPARTISAN INVESTIGATION.>>BUT, SENATOR, YES OR NO.>>IT’S AN ANSWER THAT YOU GET.>>IS IT OKAY FOR YOU TO ASK A FOREIGN — >>YOU KNOW WHAT I’VE SAID BEFORE.>>BUT YOU’RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. YOU’RE A SMART GUY.>>THIS IS ABOUT THE POLITICS OF THE MOMENT. THAT’S WHY THEY’RE TRYING TO DO THIS NOW. >>ALEX BURNS, YIKES.>>YEAH, YIKES IS RIGHT. AND THAT IS SORT OF — I THINK YOU SEE THERE THE REAL BASIC IMPOENCE OF THESE PROCESS ARGUMENTS WHEN YOU’RE BEING ASKED BY A GROUP OF REPORTERS A PRETTY SIMPLE STRAIGHTFORWARD YES OR NO QUESTION. THERE’S NO REASON OUTSIDE OF POLITICAL STRATEGY WHY A SENATOR AS SMART AS CORY GARDNER COULDN’T JUST ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WE ALL KNOW, REPUBLICANS ALL KNOW THAT IF THEY WERE IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES TALKING TO THEIR FRIENDS, THEY ALL THINK IT’S INAPPROPRIATE TO SOLICIT FOREIGN HELP IN AN ELECTION. THAT’S WHY YOU SEE THEM IN PUBLIC WHEN THEY ARE AFRAID TO ANTAGONIZE THE PRESIDENT. ESPECIALLY SOMEONE LIKE CORY GARDNER WHO COULD FACE A COMPETITIVE PRIMARY IN COLORADO. IT’S WHY THEY END UP IN THESE HAIR-SPLITTING EXCRUCIATING ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHETHER THE DEMOCRATIC INVESTIGATION IS PROCEEDING EXACTLY ACCORDING TO THE PROCEDURE THAT THEY WOULD PREFER OR WHETHER, AS CORY GARDNER SAID IN A LONGER SECTION OF THAT CLIP, THIS IS ALL ABOUT GOING AFTER SENATORS IN STATES LIKE NORTH CAROLINA AND ARIZONA AND COLORADO. THIS STUFF SOUNDS REALLY ESOTERIC TO VOTERS WHEN WATCHING A CLIP OF A SENATOR GETTING ASKED A STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION, LIKE IS IT APPROPRIATE TO SOLICIT HELP FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT IN AN AMERICAN ELECTION.>>THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE COMMENTS, THAT’S THE DEFINITION OF POLITICAL COWARDICE. WE’RE SEEING A LOT OF THAT LATELY. FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, AND AN IMPEACHMENT STANDARD STANDPOINT HERE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DEBATE DURING THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT WHETHER HIS BEHAVIOR ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, AS A LAWYER AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S MAR TISIPATION IN THIS AND WHAT WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT IN TERMS OF HIS PRESSURE ON UKRAINE, CAN YOU MAKE A JUDGMENT AS TO WHETHER IT APPROACHES THAT STANDARD OF HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS?>>WELL, IT’S CERTAINLY CLOSE TO THE CORE OF WHAT THE FRAMERS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT. THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE FOUNDERS OF THIS COUNTRY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT FOREIGN INTERFERENCE. YOU’LL SEE A LOT OF OTHER PROVISIONS IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT ARE FOCUSED ON KEEPING FOREIGN INFLUENCE OUTSIDE OF OUR GOVERNMENT. AND SO THIS IS REALLY THE CORE OF WHAT THE FRAMERS THOUGHT IMPEACHMENT WAS ABOUT. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, WHETHER OR NOT THAT MEETS THE STANDARD HERE, I’M SURE SENATORS ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT POLITICAL JUDGMENT. BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY — WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE LAST TIME THERE WAS AN IMPEACHMENT, THIS IS MORE TO THE CORE OF WHAT THE CONCERN WAS REGARDING POTENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL WRONGDOING.>>SABRINA, LOOKING AHEAD, BILL TAYLOR, THE U.S. DIPLOMAT, THE TOP U.S. DIPLOMAT IN UKRAINE HAS NOW BEEN ASKED TO TESTIFY. OF COURSE, HE’S THE ONE WHO SAID, IT’S CRAZY, RIGHT, TO TRADE SORT OF A POLITICAL INVESTIGATION FOR DEFENSE FUNDING FOR UKRAINE. HE WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD BY WRITING IT IN TEXT MESSAGES, WHICH IS WHEN SONDLAND REPLIED, CALL ME, AND YOU’RE GETTING IT WRONG AND THIS IS NOT HOW THAT’S WORKING. HOW SIGNIFICANT THAT LAWMAKERS GET THAT TESTIMONY FROM HIM?>>IT’S INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT. I THINK YOU ARE SEEING NOW DEMOCRATS APPEARING TO HAVE AT LEAFLET SOME MORE SUCCESS IN GETTING SOME OF THESE KEY WITNESSES TO APPEAR ON CAPITOL HILL. WE’RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR FROM MARIE YOVANOVITCH AND IT APPEARS THAT GEORGE SONDLAND HIMSELF WHO APPEARED TO BE ADVOCATING ON THE PART OF THE PRESIDENT WITH RESPECT TO THIS PRESSURE CAMPAIGN IN UKRAINE IS GOING TO TESTIFY NEXT WEEK. NOW I DON’T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT ANY OF THESE WITNESSES ARE GOING TO TURN OVER DOCUMENTS. THAT’S SOMETHING THAT SOME OF THEIR ATTORNEYS HAVE SAID THEY’RE GOING TO DEFER TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT ON IN TERMS OF GUIDANCE. BUT IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR DEMOCRATS TO PIECE TOGETHER THIS PUZZLE BECAUSE, AS WE MENTIONED, THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ALLEGATIONS, THEY FEEL THEY’VE ALREADY CONFIRMED BY THE PRESIDENT’S OWN PUBLIC STATEMENTS BY WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS PUT OUT IN TERMS OF THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL. THEY NOW WANT TO GET A CLEARER PICTURE OF WHAT THIS PRESSURE CAMPAIGN ON UKRAINE ENTAILED IN TERMS OF WITHHOLDING AID. THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN CAREER DIPLOMATS AND OTHERS IN THE ADMINISTRATION WITH RESPECT TO CONCERNS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO EXERT FOR U.S. FOREIGN POLICY FOR POLITICAL GAIN. WHO ALL HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THIS EFFORT AND WHO MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN EFFORTS TO WITHHOLD IT FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND FROM MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.>>WELL, LISTEN, JUST TO PUT A MARKER THERE. HERE WE ARE, THREE WEEKS AGO, IMPEACHMENT SEEMED A LONG DISTANT AND UPLIKELY POSSIBILITY. HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VOTE AND POSSIBLY HAVING THE — AT LEAST THE TESTIMONY OF DEMOCRATS BELIEVE THEY NEED TO PROCEED TO A VOTE. IT’S REMARKABLE, MOVING QUICKLY. THANKS VERY MUCH.>>>COMING UP, THE GOP HAS STAYED MOSTLY SILENT AS WE WERE SAYING AS A FLOOD OF HEADLINES EMERGED OVER THE LAST WEEK FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. ONE OUTGOING REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN SAYS HE’S >>>REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS HAVE BEEN STAYING MOSTLY SILENT ON THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION INTO PRESIDENT TRUMP. GOP SENATOR FROM COLORADO, A SWING STATE, CORY GARDNER, TWISTED HIMSELF INTO RHETORICAL KNOTS, AVOIDING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND UKRAINE. HAVE A LISTEN.>>BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR A PRESIDENT TO — >>I THINK WE’RE GOING TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION. IT’S A NONPARTISAN INVESTIGATION.>>BUT, SENATOR, IT’S A YES OR NO QUESTION.>>IT’S AN ANSWER THAT YOU GET.>>IS IT OKAY FOR YOU TO ASK A FOREIGN RIVAL — >>THIS IS ABOUT — >>WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. YOU’RE A SMART GUY AND KNOW THE DEBATE.>>THIS IS ABOUT THE POLITICS OF THE MOMENT. THIS IS WHY THEY’RE TRYING TO DO THIS NOW.>>JOINING ME TO DISCUSS, MARK SANFORD, FORMER CONGRESSMAN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME THIS MORNING.>>YES, SIR.>>SO YOU SAW THAT INTERACTION THERE. PAINFUL, YOU MIGHT SAY. WHY CAN’T REPUBLICANS SAY SIMPLY, IT’S WRONG FOR A U.S. PRESIDENT TO ASK A FOREIGN POWER FOR HELP IN THE ELECTION?>>BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE ON THE RECEIVING END OF A BAD TRUMP TWEET, END OF STORY. AND I GET THAT. I’VE BEEN ON THE RECEIVING ENDS OF TRUMP TWEETS. IT’S NOT A PLEASANT PLACE TO BE AND IT CAN HAVE AN ELECTORAL CONSEQUENCE.>>BUT YOU, TO YOUR — I KNOW YOU PAID A POLITICAL PRICE FOR IT. I KNOW YOU DID, BUT YOU HAD BACKBONE THERE. YOU HAVE SEEN POLLING MOVE SOMEWHAT. FOX NEWS POLL, WHICH, OF COURSE, WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT NOTICED BECAUSE HE SAID THAT THE POLL SUCKS IN A TWEET. IT SHOWED THAT A MAJORITY, AND THIS WAS STRIKING TO ME. A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SUPPORT — NOT JUST IMPEACHMENT BUT REMOVAL FROM OFFICE BECAUSE THAT IS, OF COURSE, QUITE — WOULD BE QUITE CONSEQUENTIAL. AS THAT PUBLIC SUPPORT CHANGES, DO YOU SEE REPUBLICANS CHANGING THEIR TUNE?>>YEAH, BUT THEY’LL BE THE LAST THING TO BREAK AS THE DOMINOS FALL, IN TERMS OF ELECTED LEADERSHIP. AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST WATCH PUBLIC MOOD, PUBLIC SENTIMENT AND THAT’S GOING TO DRIVE THE TRAIN. IT ALWAYS DOES IN OUR PROCESS. BUT OUR PROCESS IS VERY SLOW MOVING. AND PEOPLE ARE REACTIVE. IT’S NOT A PROACTIVE SYSTEM. THEY’LL BE VERY REACTIVE AND WAITING AND WATCHING AS TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE AND EVEN THEN THEY’LL HOLD BACK BASED ON FEAR OF RETRIBUTION FROM THE PRESIDENT.>>YEAH. TO BE CLEAR, YOU NOTED ON SUNDAY THAT YOU DIDN’T KNOW IF THE PRESIDENT NEEDED TO BE IMPEACHED. BASED ON WHAT WE’VE LEARNED IN THE LAST 24 HOURS. THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL LAWYER, TWO ASSOCIATES OF HIM NOW ARRESTED ON CHARGES OF VIOLATING CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. AND THE DETAILS OF THAT ARE NOTABLE HERE BECAUSE IT’S TIED TO THE LARGER UKRAINE STORY. YOU HAVE THEM FUNNELING FOREIGN MONEY TO A SITTING U.S. CONGRESSMAN WHO, THEY SAY, THIS WAS IN EXCHANGE FOR HIM WRITING A LETTER TO GET AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH, WHO THE PRESIDENT OPPOSED AND APPARENTLY DIDN’T FEEL SHE WAS DOING HIM FAVORS ON THE GROUND THERE. WHEN YOU LEARN DETAILS LIKE THAT, DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR VIEW ON IMPEACHMENT?>>IT BECOMES THAT MUCH MORE TROUBLING. I’VE SAID ALL ALONG, I THINK WHAT I HEAR SOUNDS WRONG TO ME. I BELIEVE THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE AN INVESTIGATION. I AGREE WITH WHAT JIM CLYBURN SAID YESTERDAY IN TERMS OF, LET’S GO METHODICALLY THROUGH THIS PROCESS. FIND OUT WHAT WAS THERE. WE HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE ONE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, BUT WHERE THERE’S SMOKE, GENERALLY THERE’S FIRE. AND YOU SEE MORE AND MORE SMOKE COMING OUT OF THIS STORY WITH, AGAIN, THE THINGS YOU’RE SUGGESTING MOST RECENTLY. WHAT I’VE ALSO SAID, THOUGH IS, ONE, LET’S BE DELIBERATE ABOUT THE PROCESS. I THINK THE HOUSE OUGHT TO TAKE A VOTE FIRST. THAT HAPPENS TO BE MY OPINION. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING THE PREVIOUS THREE IMPEACHMENT PROCESSES. BUT IMPEACHMENT ULTIMATELY IS A POLITICAL PROCESS, NOT A LEGAL ONE. AND MY SIMPLE POINT IN SAYING WHAT I SAID WITH REGARD TO CENSURE WAS, IF YOU — WHAT YOU DON’T WANT IS FOR THE PRESIDENT TO WALK OUT OF THIS PROCESS EXONERATED AS IF IT’S ALL FINE. AND FOR HIM TO SAY, OOP, THE SENATE DIDN’T IMPEACH ME, I’M COMPLETELY INNOCENT BECAUSE NO MATTER WHERE WE GO WITH THIS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU CANNOT SET PRECEDENT GOING FORWARD THAT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR IS ACCEPTABLE AND OKAY FROM A PRESIDENT. END OF STORY. AND SO MY POINT IS THERE’S CLARITY. THE HOUSE CAN COME OUT WITH A DEFINITIVE STATEMENT. WE BELIEVE THIS IS WRONG. AND I THINK THAT MAKES IT THAT MUCH EASIER FOR, FRANKLY, THE PEOPLE TO MAKE A FIRM JUDGMENT COME NEXT NOVEMBER ON WHETHER THEY THINK IT WAS WRONG OR RIGHT. MY OTHER CONCERN ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS IS WILL IT COMPLETELY USURP ALL THE CONVERSATION THAT SHOULD TAKE PLACE ON THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC SIDE AS TO WHAT NEXT NOVEMBER OUGHT TO BE ABOUT.>>RIGHT. AND THAT, OF COURSE, FACTORS INTO THE DEMOCRATS’ DESIRE TO HAVE THE IMPEACHMENT PORTION DONE>>>ALL RIGHT, THIS MORNING VERMONT SENATOR AND 2020 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL BERNIE SANDERS SAYS HE IS READY TO GO FULL BLAST BACK ONTO THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. THIS OF COURSE FOLLOWS A HEART ATTACK HE SUFFERED LAST WEEK. SANDERS SAT DOWN WITH OUR VERY OWN DR. SAN JAY GUPTA TO TALK ABOUT HIS HEALTH AND RECOVERY. I’M SO GLAD YOU HAD THIS TIME WITH HIM IN PERSON TO SEE HOW HE’S DOING. WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM IT, AND WHAT DID HE TELL YOU?>>Reporter: WELL, YEAH, WE GOT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED EXACTLY LAST TUESDAY WHEN HE CAME AWAY FROM THAT CAMPAIGN RALLY AND ALSO WHAT HAD BEEN HAPPENING IN THE WEEKS LEADING UP TO THAT AS WELL, POPPY. TAKE A LISTEN.>>I WAS MORE TIRED THAN I USUALLY HAVE BEEN, HAD MORE TROUBLING SLEEPING THAN ORDINARILY. OCCASIONALLY I’D BE UP THERE AT THE PODIUM AND I’D FEEL A LITTLE BIT UNSTEADY. AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST HOLDING THE MIC UP TO MY MOUTH AND MY ARM HEART AND I SHOULD HAVE PAID MORE ATTENTION TO THOSE SYMPTOMS. AND HOPE PEOPLE LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE SNCH. >>THERE ARE A POINT WHERE YOU SAID I THINK MY BEST COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE TO DROP OUT?>>NO BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW — WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORD HEART ATTACK YOU’RE THINKING OF SOMEONE LYING ON THE GROUND IN TERRIBLE PAIN. IT WASN’T THE CASE. WE STRUGGLED REALLY HARD TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, BRING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TOGETHER IN THE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE AND I’M NOT A QUITTER.>>Reporter: POPPY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A VERY CANDID CONVERSATION. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THEIR HEALTH, TALKING ABOUT MORTALITY. AND IT’S WORTH POINTING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A MUSCLE, THE HEART’S A BIG MUSCLE, IT’S NOT GETTING ENOUGH BLOOD FLOW, THAT HURTS. THAT’S THE SORT OF SYMPTOMS THE SENATOR WAS DESCRIBING. WHEN YOU RESTORE BLOOD FLOW, PEOPLE OFTEN FEEL BETTER. AND THAT’S WHAT HE DESCRIBES AS WELL. I WAS HAVING THIS FATIGUE, HE SAYS HE FEELS BETTER. RECOVERY STILL AHEAD OF HIM BUT FEELS BETTER CERTAINLY THAN HE DID IN THE LAST WEEK.>>SANDERS, IF SANDERS WAS YOUR PATIENT AND I KNOW THAT YOU’RE A NEURO SURGEON, BUT WOULD YOU ADVISE HIM TO GET BACK ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIN FULL THROTTLE AND — >>Reporter: YEAH, IT’S STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING BUT THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT HE’S HEARING FROM HIS DOCTORS SOUNDS LIKE HE WILL GET BANG TO — HE’S EXPECTED TO MAKE A FULL RECOVERY, EVENTUALLY GET BACK TO 100%, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW. FOUR CAMPAIGN RALLIES A DAY IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS CERTAINLY. BUT THE GOAL OF THESE PROCEDURES, POPPY, IS ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO GET YOU BACK TO YOUR WAY OF LIFE. WE WANT TO GET YOU BACK TO YOUR WAY OF LIFE AND THAT’S WHAT I THINK THE DOCTORS HAVE TOLD SENATOR SANDERS, THAT’S WHAT HE’S HEARING AND I THINK THAT’S WHERE THAT CONFUSION CAME FROM.>>SANJAY, GREAT INTERVIEW. PEOPLE CAN WATCH ALL OF IT ONLINE.>>WE ARE WAITING FOR THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE ARRIVE ON CAPITOL HILL WHERE SHE’LL FACE TOUGH QUESTIONS FROM THREE HOUSE COMMITTEES. WILL HER TESTIMONY SHED MORE LIGHT ON EVERYTHING WE’RE

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