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>>A JUSTICE DEPARTMENT STATEMENT THIS MORNING MENTION THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. IT SAYS IN PART THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S LETTER CITED A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT SAY LYNN SKI AS A POTENTIAL VIOLATION OF FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW. JEFF PEGUES AND OTHER REPORTERS WERE ALLOWED TO SEE THE PHONE CALL TRANSCRIPT THIS MORNING. JEFF, THIS WAS A JULY 25th CALL AND ABOUT 30 MINUTES IN LENGTH, WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THE TRANSCRIPT? >>Reporter: YEAH, WE DIDN’T GET A LOT OF TIME WITH THE TRANSCRIPT. WE WEREN’T ALLOWED TO TAKE IT OUTSIDE OF DOJ BUT WE TOOK SOME OF THE INSERTS AND WE TOOK NOTES. THIS WAS A FIVE PAGE DOCUMENT AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, IT STARTS OUT LIKE ANY OTHER CALL WITH A FOREIGN LEADER WOULD START. THERE’S A CONGRATULATIONS ON THE ELECTION VICTORY. BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP DID ALLUDE TO EUROPE NOT DOING ENOUGH TO HELP UKRAINE. BUT THEN HE SEEMS TO VEER INTO THE DNC SERVER. HE MENTIONED CROWD STRIKE, WHICH IS A COMPANY THAT INVESTIGATED THE RUSSIAN HACK OF THE DNC’S SERVER AND THEN FROM THERE, HE PROGRESSES TO ASK THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ABOUT JOE BIDEN. AND LET ME PUT THIS QUOTE UP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU TO SEE. THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. ACCORDING TO THE TRANSCRIPT WHICH ACCORDING TO SENIOR DOJ OFFICIALS IS NOT VERBATIM. BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE. QUOTE — THE OTHER THING; THERE’S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT BIDEN’S SON. THAT BIDEN STOPPED THE PROSECUTION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THAT. SO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD BE GREAT. BIDEN WENT AROUND BRAGGING THAT HE STOPPED THE PROSECUTION. SO IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO ME. AND SO THAT’S ONE EXCERPT OF SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT SAID TO THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. NOW WHETHER THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF A QUID PRO QUO, THAT’S OBVIOUSLY WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT DOJ, SENIOR OFFICIALS HERE SAY THAT THEIR CRIMINAL DIVISION TOOK A LOOK AT THIS AND THEY DON’T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW. WHAT IS ALLEGED HERE IS THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. BUT ACCORDING TO SENIOR DOJ OFFICIALS, THEY JUST DON’T SEE THAT IN THIS DOCUMENT. BUT OF COURSE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WILL EVENTUALLY GET THIS DOCUMENT AND THEY WILL HAVE TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES. AND THAT’S WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. AGAIN, IT WAS A FIVE PAGE DOCUMENT. WE DIDN’T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO LOOK AT IT. BUT WE DID GET SOME QUOTES. LET ME GO THROUGH ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE WHAT WE SAW THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT IS THIS MENTION OF RUDY GIULIANI. THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY AS WELL AS ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR AND THAT WAS SURPRISING BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT RUDY GIULIANI WOULD BE MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENT BUT WE DID NOT KNOW THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD BE MENTIONED. HERE’S ONE EXCERPT. I WILL HAVE MR. GUILIANI GIVE YOU A CALL AND I’M ALSO GOING TO HAVE ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR CALL AND WE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE GATHERED FROM THIS DOCUMENT WAS STILL GOING THROUGH IT. BUT SO FAR, IT SHOWS THAT THIS REPEATED MENTION OF RUDY GIULIANI AND ALSO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR. BACK TO YOU. >>ALL RIGHT, JEFF THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PAULA REID COVERS THE WHITE HOUSE FOR US AND SHE JOIN US NOW. PAULA, GOOD MORNING. IT IS AN EXTRAORDINARY DOCUMENT. WE’RE ALL SITTING HERE DIGESTING IT ON THE FLY. MORE LIKE NOTES. WE SHOULD SAY THERE’S NO EVIDENCE. NOTHING TO SUBSTANTIATE THE CLAIMS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE IN THAT CALL TO THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ABOUT JOE BIDEN. AND JOE BIDEN’S SON. >>Reporter: THAT’S RIGHT. >>IT ALSO APPEARS FROM IF NOTES THERE’S NOT WHAT WE WOULD CALL AN EXPLICIT QUID PRO QUO, IF YOU DO THIS I’LL DO THIS EXCHANGE. DOES IT MATTER IT’S NOT THAT EXPLICIT. >>Reporter: IT DOES MATTER LEGALLY. THE PRESIDENT IS VERY GOOD AT PUTTING PRESSURE ON PEOPLE WITHOUT SAYING SOMETHING EXPLICIT IN COURT COULD BE ESTABLISHED AS EXTORTION ON A BRIBE. THE WAY HE WOULD DANGLE PARDONS. WHAT’S SO SIGNIFICANT TO ME HERE IS WE WERE LOOKING FOR HOW EXACTLY DID THE PRESIDENT PRESSURE THE UKRAINIAN COUNTERPART IN RELATION TO THE BIDEN INVESTIGATION. WHAT WE SEE HERE IS HE’S SUGGESTING HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY WILL REACH OUT AND HE’S SUGGESTING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES WILL REACH OUT. AND THAT’S WHERE THINGS GET A LITTLE TRICKY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP. BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS WHY WOULD YOU ENTANGLE YOUR ATTORNEY GENERAL OR YOURSELF IN SOMETHING HAVING TO DO WITH A POLITICAL RIVAL? AGAIN HE GOES RIGHT UP TO THE LINE AND DOESN’T MAKE ANY EXPLICIT THREAT. >>WE SHOULD POINT OUT HERE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAYS IN A STATEMENT THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT SPOKEN WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT HAVING UKRAINE INVESTIGATE ANYTHING RELATING TO FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN OR HIS SON. >>Reporter: EXACTLY. SO ACCORDING TO THIS STATEMENT, IT APPEARS THAT THE PRESIDENT NEVER FOLLOWED UP ON THIS WITH HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL. WITH WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS DOING ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT. WE SAW WHAT THE MUELLER REPORT. WILLIAM BARR CAME OUT AND HE GAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE AND HE RELEASED STATEMENTS BEFORE WE GOT TO SEE THE REPORT. HE HELPED THE PRESIDENT IN THAT HE HELPED SORT OF PUT A POSITIVE SPIN ON EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING TO COME OUT AND HERE WE SEE HIM DOING THAT AGAIN. HE’S CLEARING HIMSELF AND TRYING TO GET FACT OUT BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A STATEMENT HERE RIGHT NOW AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT IT DOES HELP THE PRESIDENT. NOW HE CAN TURN AROUND AND SAID I NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, CLEARLY I WASN’T SERIOUS. >>THERE’S NO EXPLICIT QUID PRO QUO HERE, A BIG BOWL OF NOTHING OR IS THERE REALLY SOMETHING HERE? WHAT WILL BE THE PROCESS NOW TO DETERMINE HOW SIGNIFICANT THIS IS? >>Reporter: WELL, LEGALLY IT’S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PHONE CALL AND THEY DIDN’T CLEAR HIM ON ALL VIOLATIONS OF LAW BUT THEY SAID WE DON’T SEE A CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION HERE RIGHT? IT SEEMS GOING FORWARD LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, A POLITICAL FIGHT ON CAPITOL HILL. AND IT WILL BE UP TO DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TO DECIDE IF THEY BELIEVE THIS RISES TO THE LEVEL OF CONDUCT THAT SHOULD SUPPORT ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. AN OPEN QUESTION, IT’S MURKY. I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. THERE’S NO QUID PRO QUO. THERE’S NO EXPLICIT PROMISE OR THREAT HERE. BUT I THINK A LOT OF VOTERS IN THE MIDWEST MAY ASK WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL RIVAL WITH A FOREIGN LIEDER? IT SEEMS YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL DEPEND ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE STATEMENT. >>EXACTLY. >>NANCY CORDES IS ON CAPITOL HILL WHERE WE FIRST LEARNED ABOUT THIS WHISTLE BLOWER COMPLAINT. NANCY, SO WHAT’S THE REACTION THERE TO THIS TRIPLET? I KNOW EVERYTHING IS STILL IN FLUX. >>Reporter: I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVEN BEFORE THE TRANSCRIPT CAME OUT, DEMOCRATS WERE VERY SKEPTICAL THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE COMPLETE. THAT IT WOULD BE AN EXHAUSTIVE READOUT OF EXACTLY EVERYTHING THAT WENT DOWN ON THIS CALL. THE EXACT NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TO LOOK INTO THE VICE PRESIDENT. AND SO THAT’S WHY THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE CHAIRMAN ADAM SCHIFF TOLD ME THIS MORNING EVEN BEFORE THE TRANSCRIPT WAS RELEASED HE STILL WANTED THE TALK TO ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS ON THAT CALL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE READOUT REFLECTS THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION. THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD WITH ZALINSKY ABOUT BIDEN. BUT DEMOCRATS ALSO ARGUE AND REMEMBER THAT IMPEACHMENT IS A POLITICAL PROCESS, IT’S NOT A LEGAL PROCESS. DEMOCRATS ALSO ARGUE THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO ESTABLISH THAT THERE WAS A LIKELY QUID PRO QUO HERE EVEN IF THE PRESIDENT WASN’T EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT ON THAT PHONE CALL. BECAUSE IF YOU WIDEN OUT AND LOOK AT THE TIMELINE HERE ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE THE PRESIDENT HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE NEW PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE, HIS FIRST CONVERSATION EVER WITH THE NEW PRESIDENT, HE SUDDENLY UNEXPECTEDLY WITHHELD ABOUT $400 MILLION IN MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE. NO ONE OUTSIDE OF HIS INNER CIRCLE KNEW WHY HE WAS DOING IT. EVEN THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER REPUBLICAN McCONNELL WAS KEPT IN THE DARK ABOUT THE REASONING. THEN A WEEK LATER, WHILE THAT MONEY IS WITHHELD, THE PRESIDENT HAS THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. ASKING HIM TO HELP HIM IN CLEARLY POLITICAL WAYS. AND SO DEMOCRATS SAY THAT THAT SHOWS THAT THE LEADER OF UKRAINE KNEW THAT HIS MILITARY AID WAS ON THE LINE IF HE DIDN’T DO WHAT THE PRESIDENT WANTED HIM TO DO. >>NANCY, CONGRESS HAS HEARD FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S ATTORNEY, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO HEAR FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND ARE THEY GOING TO GET A COPY OF THIS REPORT? >>Reporter: THEY ARE DEEP IN NEGOTIATIONS OVER THAT RIGHT NOW ANTHONY. THE HOUSE AND SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES ARE HOPING TO INTERVIEW THIS WHISTLEBLOWER AS SOON AS TOMORROW AND FRIDAY. BEFORE CONGRESS GOES ON A TWO WEEK RECESS. BUT THEY ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE. HE WITHHELD THIS WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT BECAUSE THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER WAS DISCUSSING PRIVILEGED INFORMATION. IF HE WAS WILLING TO WITHHOLD THE COMPLAINT WHY WOULD HE THEN ALLOW THE WHISTLEBLOWER HIMSELF TO COME TO CAPITOL HILL AND TELL CONGRESS EVERYTHING? THOSE ARE TALKS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. >>JONATHAN TURLEY IS WITH US FROM WASHINGTON. HE HAS CRITICIZED THE PUSH TOWARDS IMPEACHMENT. JONATHAN, GOOD MORNING. >>GOOD MORNING. >>JONATHAN, YOU CAN ARGUE WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID IS INAPPROPRIATE. IS IT IMPEACHABLE? >>THIS ONE WOULD BE AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE IF PROVEN. SELF-DEALING IS SOMETHING THAT CAN CONSTITUTE A FORM OF THE PUBLIC CORRUPTION AND ABUSE OF OFFICE. SO THIS IS THE REAL MCCOY. HE JUST HAVE TO PROVES IT. THE PROBLEM IS WITH THIS TRANSCRIPT IS THAT THERE’S PLENTY HERE THAT HELPS THE PRESIDENT ON HIS DEFENSE. NOT ONLY ARE THEY A KID SHORT OF A PRO QUO. THERE’S NO EXPRESS PROMISE. BUT IT ALSO CONTAINS HIS INITIAL DISCUSSION THAT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP’S DISCUSSION, ABOUT WHY HE WANTS OTHER COUNTRIES, EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, TO ALSO PUT MONEY INTO THE UKRAINE. TRUMP IS INSISTING THAT HE WITHHELD THAT $400 MILLION TO TRY TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE EUROPEANS TO PONY UP. SO THE TRANSCRIPT WILL HELP HYMN THERE. THERE’S ALSO MATERIAL HERE THAT WILL CONCERN CONGRESS. THERE COULD BE A QUID PRO QUO. THEY NEED SOMEONE TO CONNECT THE DOTS. NOT GOING TO COME FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER I DON’T THINK. THE WHISTLEBLOWER APPARENTLY HEARD THIS THIRD HAND. I’M NOT TOO SURE HOW HE’S GOING TO MOVE THE BALL. MORE LIKELY TO COME FROM SOMEONE IN THE INNER CIRCLE INCLUDING SOMEONE LIKE JOHN BOLTON WHO MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO STATEMENTS THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE THEORY. >>YOU KNOW ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR VERY WELL. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THIS? HIS NAME IS MENTIONED IN THE TRANSCRIPT. >>I — I’M NOT SURPRISED AT ALL THAT THERE WAS NO CONTACT WITH BILL BARR. THE CHANCES THAT BILL BARR WOULD GET INVOLVED IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS ROUGHLY THE SAME AS THE PRESIDENT WINNING THE NOBEL PRIZE. YOU KNOW, BARR APPARENTLY NEVER WAS TOLD ABOUT THE CALL. HE WAS INFORMED THAT HIS NAME CAME UP ONCE THE REFERRAL WAS MADE. AND SO THIS IS PART AND PARCEL TO WHAT WE’VE SEEN BEFORE WHERE THE PRESIDENT SAID THINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY ARE RECKLESS AND DISTURBING AND WHAT FOLLOWS IS CRICKETS. NO ONE DOES ANYTHING. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE HERE. BUT CONGRESS HAS A RIGHT TO FIND OUT IF SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE WAS DONE. >>ALL RIGHT, JONATHAN THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. ONCE AGAIN, WITH THE REMARKS THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE, HAVE BEEN RELEASED. WE’VE GOT OUR FIRST READ OF IT DETAILS STILL COMING OUT BUT THERE WAS THE PRESIDENT DID DIRECTLY RAISE THE QUESTION OF INVESTIGATING VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. OUR COVERAGE WILL CONTINUE ON OUR 24 HOUR STREAMING NETWORK CBSN AND YOU CAN WATCH IT AT CBSNEWS.COM OR ON OUR CBS NEWS APP. THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME ON YOUR LOCAL NEWS ON THIS CBS STATION AND TONIGHT ON THE CBS “EVENING NEWS.” LY RETURN NOW TO “CBS THIS MORNING.” THIS HAS BEEN A CBS NEWS SPECIAL REPORT. I’M ANTHONY MASON WITH GAYLE KING AND TONY DOKOUPIL, CBS NEWS, NEW YORK. >>FOR NEWS 24 HOURS A DAY, GO TO CBSNEWS.COM. >>ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK EVERYONE. I’M ANNE-MARIE GREENE. >>I’M VLADIMIR DUTHIERS. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE BREAKING NEWS THIS HOUR. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS RELEASED WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS CALLED THE FULL TRANSCRIPT OF HIS JULY PHONE CALL WITH UKRAINE’S LEADER. >>AS HOUSE DEMOCRATS INTENSIFY THEIR OFFICIAL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. SO FOR MORE ON THIS, WE WANT TO BRING IN CBS NEWS INTELLIGENCE AND NATIONAL SECURITY REPORTER OLIVIA GAZAS ALONGSIDE HER IS CBS NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT ED O’KEEFE AND FROM THE WASHINGTON BUREAU. I THINK WE’RE GETTING EVERYONE BIT BY BIT RIGHT? WE GOT OLIVIA. AND WE HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT. OF THIS PHONE CONVERSATION. SO WE’VE BEEN SORT OF FEVERISHLY GOING THROUGH IT AND IT DOES MENTION WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE BROUGHT UP. HE BROUGHT UP JOE BIDEN AND JOE BIDEN’S SON AND JOE BIDEN SHUTTING DOWN A PROSECUTOR THAT WAS LOOKING INTO HIS SON’S ACTIVITIES. I ACTUALLY DON’T SEE OLIVIA, ANY MENTION OF MONEY. >>IT’S TRUE. THE QUID PRO QUO AS WE JUST HEARD IS ABSENT FROM THE TRANSCRIPT. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE PRESIDENT IN HIS STYLE HAS BROUGHT UP IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN SEE WOULD RAISE YEBROWS. HE SAID I COUNTED I THINK FOUR TIMES THAT HE SAID HE WANTED TO PUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE HIS PEOPLE DIRECTLY IN TOUCH WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND WITH RUDY GIULIANI. THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY. WHICH YOU KNOW, TO DISCUSS THOSE QUESTIONS INVOLVING BIDEEN. THE PRESIDENT ALSO MENTIONS CROWD STRIKE THE CYBER SECURITY FIRM THAT FIRST DREW THE LINK BETWEEN THE DNC HACK AND RUSSIA. KIND OF A NEBULOUS ALLUSION TO THEIR INVOLVEMENT THERE. HE ALSO MENTIONS A FORMER AMBASSADOR MARIE WHO WAS REMOVED FROM HER POST AFTER SOME SORT OF CONCERN, POLITICAL CONCERNS ABOUT HER WERE RAISED BY CONSERVATIVE MEDIA OUTLETS AND MR. GUILIANI. IT’S A VERY TRUMPIAN CONVERSATION IN STYLE IN THAT IT’S YOU KNOW, THERE’S ALLUSIONS TO A LOT OF THINGS WITHOUT A DIRECT ASK. I AGREE WITH YOU THERE. >>THEN LET’S BRING IN KIM WHALEY OUR LEGAL ANALYST LAW PROFESSOR. SHE’S JOINING US NOW ALSO FROM WASHINGTON, D.C. KIM, I’M GUESSING YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THIS TRANSCRIPT. AND AS — OKAY. STAND BY. KIM LET’S GO TO THE MINORITY LEADER KEVIN MCCARTHY. >>THEY’D BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME. THEY’D WORK TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. AT THE SAME TIME, I WATCHED CONGRESSMAN NADLER RUN FOR A CHAIRMANSHIP JUDICIARY. HE PROMISED HIS CONFERENCE THAT HE WOULD IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT. THE DEMOCRATS LIED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. BUT CHAIRMAN NADLER KEPT HIS PROMISE TO THE DEMOCRATIC CONFERENCE. MAKE NO MISTAKE. YESTERDAY WAS A DARK DAY FOR AMERICA. IT’S A DARK DAY FOR THE RULE OF LAW THAT THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE WOULD CLAIM A PRESIDENT VIOLATED THE LAW WITHOUT EVER HAVING ANY INFORMATION TO JUDGE IT ON. IT WAS A DARK DAY FOR NATIONAL SECURITY. BUT YOU ARE WILLING TO JEOPARDIZE THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN POLITICAL BIAS. NAME ME ONE WORLD LEADER REGARDLESS OF WHO SITS IN THE OVAL OFFICE — >>ALL RIGHT, LET’S — AND FROM KEVIN McCARTHY MAKING A SALESPEOPLE THERE ON CAPITOL HILL. WE TAKE YOU NOW TO NEW YORK CITY WHERE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES — >>AMONG SO MANY TERRIFIC LEADERS DEDICATED TO THE FUTURE OF DEMOCRACY. PROSPERITY AND FREEDOM FOR THE PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA. WE ARE BEHIND YOU. FOR THIS DEEPLY IMPORTANT EVENT WE ARE GRATFUL TO BE JOINED BY SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO AND ADMINISTRATOR MARK GREENE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO EXTEND MY PROFOUND APPRECIATION TO EVERY REPRESENTATIVE WITH US FROM ACROSS THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. EACH OF YOU IS PART OF A HISTORIC COALITION OF 55 COUNTRIES THAT RECOGNIZE THE LEGITIMATE CONSTITTIONAL GOVERNMENT OF VENEZUELA. WE ARE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL TO BE JOINED BY REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE OF ARGENTINA, BRAZIL, COLOMBIA, CHILE, ECUADOR, AND PERU FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP AND ASSISTANCE IN THE FACE OF AN UNPRECEDENTED POLITICAL, ECONOMIC AND HUMANITARIAN DISASTER WHICH HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. AND WE’RE HELPING A LOT. WE ARE HELPING A LOT. LET ME ALSO RECOGNIZE TWO LEADERS FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF VENEZUELA’S LEGITIMATE INTERIM GOVERNMENT. PRESIDENTIAL COMMISSIONER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS JULIO BORGES. PLEASE STAND UP. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] AND VENEZUELA’S AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES. CARLOS VECCHIO. THE SITUATION IN VENEZUELA IS A TRAGEDY OF HISTORIC PROPORTIONS. THE MADURO REGIME CARES ABOUT THEIR OWN POWER. WHAT THEY WANT. A POWER. AND MONEY. THEY WANT THE MONEY TOO. NOT JUST POWER. SOCIALISM HAS DESTROYED WHAT WAS ONCE AMONG THE MOST PROSPEROUS COUNTRIES ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. YOU GO BACK 20 YEARS AGO AND YOU LOOK. ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRIES IN WORLD RELATIVELY SPEAKING. AND NOW THEY DON’T HAVE WATER, THEY DON’T HAVE FOOD. THEY DON’T HAVE MEDICINE. THEY DON’T HAVE ANYTHING. TODAY VENEZUELANS ARE STARVING AND THEY’RE DYING FROM LACK OF DOCTORS, MEDICINE, HELP. ACCORDING TO. N. HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONER, MADURO’S CUBAN TRAINED DEATH SQUADS HAVE MURDERED UP TO 10,000 VENEZUELANS AND THEY THINK THAT NUMBER IS EXTREMELY LOW. CITIZENS — ALL SINCE 2018. THAT’S OVER A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THESE ATROCITIES ARE AN OUTRAGE TO ALL. AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HOLD DEAR. AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I AM COMMITTED TO THE FUTURE OF STABILITY, PROSPERITY AND LIBERTY FOR VENEZUELA. WE WILL STAND WITH THE VENEZUELAN PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY UNTIL THEY ARE FINALLY FREED FROM THIS HORRIBLE AND BRUTAL OPPRESSION. THEY WILL BE FREED. IT WILL HAPPEN. OUR FIRST OBJECTIVE IS TO ENSURE A PEACEFUL AND CONSTITUTIONAL TRANSITION PAVING THE WAY FOR FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. THAT’S WHY WE AT THE UNITED STATES AND IN THE UNITED STATES DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ISOLATE MADURO AND HIS CRONIES. OVER THE PAST YEAR, THE U.S. TREASURY DEPARTMENT HAS IMPOSED VERY TOUGH SANCTIONS TO PREVENT MADURO AND HIS ENABLERS FROM ACCESSING THE U.S. FINANCIAL SYSTEM. LAST MONTH, I ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO COMPLETELY FREEZE THE ASSETS OF THE MADURO REGIME IN THE UNITED STATES. OUR SANCTIONS HAVE BEEN TIGHTLY FOCUSED ON CLOSING DOWN EVERY AVENUE BY WHICH MADURO SUSTAINS HIS CRIMINAL AND TOTALITARIAN RULE AND HE — HAS BEEN VICIOUS, HE’S BEEN CORRUPT. HE’S BEEN AS BAD AS YOU GET. AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS TO ENSURE THAT THE VENEZUELAN PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO FOOD, MEDICINE, AND OTHER HUMANITARIAN SUPPLIES DESPITE THE REGIME’S EFFORTS TO STOP AID FROM COMING INTO VENEZUELA. THEY ARE MAKING IT VERY, VERY HARD TO GET AID INTO VENEZUELA. IT’S A VERY DIFFICULT THING. YOU WOULD THINK FRANKLY THAT WOULD BE TO THEIR BENEFIT TO LET AID GET IN INSTEAD OF LETTING PEOPLE DIE FROM LACK OF MEDICINE OR FOOD BUT THEY DON’T MAKE IT EASY. BUT WE GET IT IN ANYWAY. WE CALL ON MADURO TO IMMEDIATELY ALLOW HIS LIFE- SAVING HUMANITARIAN AID. THIS HAS TO BE ALLOWED TO COME INTO VENEZUELA. FOR THE LONG SUFFERING VENEZUELAN PEOPLE. UNFORTUNATELY, A FEW COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF THIS HEMISPHERE CONTINUE TO ENABLE THIS DEPRAVED REGIME WITH MILITARY AND TECHNOLOGICAL SUPPORT. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FACTOR, PROPPING UP THE VENEZUELAN REGIME IS THE COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP IN CUBA. MADURO ALLOWS CUBA TO PLUNDER VENEZUELANS’ OIL AND RAID ITS WEALTH AND ROB ITS PEOPLE. VENEZUELA’S OIL IS AT A LOW POINT. NOT MUCH IS BEING TAKEN OUT. NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE DANGERS INVOLVED. BUT NEVERTHELESS, THERE’S SOME MONEY COMING OUT. AND IT GOES INTO CUBA. HE’S ALLOWED THOUSANDS OF CUBAN AGENTS TO INFILL TRAIL VENEZUELA’S SECURITY FORCES AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS. IN OTHER WORDS, MADURO HAS SOLD OUT HIS NATION TO A FOREIGN DICTATORSHIP AND IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY A LONG TIME. THE CIVILIZED WORLD MUST PRESSURE THE CUBAN REGIME TO LEAVE VENEZUELA IMMEDIATELY. THE UNITED STATES IS READY TO SUPPORT A DEMOCRATIC TRANSITION OVERNMENT AND WE KNOW THAT OUR PARTNERS AROUND THE WORLD — >>ALL RIGHT YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THERE AT THE UNITED NATIONS. MAKING SOME COMMENTS THERE WITH SOME OF THE LEADERS OF LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES. LET’S KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS DOING AND SAYING IF HE TAKES QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF PRESS WE’LL GO BACK TO IT. BUT LET’S GET TO THE BREAKING NEWS RIGHT NOW. THE — UNCLASSIFIED NOW REPORT TRANSCRIPT OF THAT JULY 25th CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE LEADER OF UKRAINE. CBS NEWS CHIEF JUSTICE AND HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT JEFF PEGUES IS OUTSIDE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS IN WASHINGTON. HE GOT A FIRSTHAND LOOK AT THE FIVE PAGE TRANSCRIPT. INITIALLY EVEN BEFORE IT CAME OUT. JEFF, BREAK IT DOWN FOR US. WHAT DO WE KNOW? >>Reporter: WELL, LISTEN, WE DIDN’T HAVE A LOT OF TIME WITH THE TRANSCRIPT. IT WAS — WHAT? A MATTER OF MINUTES REALLY TO GET A GOOD LOOK AT IT. WE COULDN’T TAKE IT OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. WE QUOTED FROM IT IN OUR PREVIOUS REPORTS. BUT YOU KNOW, IT STARTS OUT LIKE ANY OTHER CALL WITH THE FOREIGN LEADER WOULD. THERE IS THIS CONGRATULATIONS TO PRESIDENT ZALINSKY OF UKRAINE AND THEN THERE’S A PROGRESSION FROM THERE. THE PRESIDENT LOBS CRITICISM AT THE EUROPEAN UNION LEADERS ANGELA MERKEL IS MENTIONED. HE SAYS THE GERMANY ISN’T DOING ENOUGH FOR UKRAINE. SOMETHING THAT HE ALLUDED TO IN HIS REMARKS YESTERDAY AT THE U. N.. BUT THEN FROM THERE, AND KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS A JULY 25th CALL, IT COMES A DAY AFTER MUELLER TESTIFIED. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS. ESSENTIALLY WRAPPING UP THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. AND THE PRESIDENT WAS CRITICAL IN THE CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE OF ROBERT MUELLER. AND FROM THERE THERE IS THIS MENTION OF JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON IN WHAT THE PRESIDENT BEIEVES IS A NEED TO INVESTIGATE. AND SO IT GOES ON FROM THERE. THERE ARE REPEATED MENTIONS OF RUDY GIULIANI, THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY. AND AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY CAME AS A SURPRISE TO US, WAS THIS MENTION OF ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR. WE KNEW THAT GUILIANI WOULD BE MENTIONED IN THE TRANSCRIPT GOING INTO IT BUT WE DON’T KNOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS MENTIONED AS WELL. AND REALLY THE SAME VEIN. THE PRESIDENT WAS ENCOURAGING THE PRESIDENT TO REACH OUT OR TO GET IN CONTACT WITH BOTH GUILIANI AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERESTING TIDBITS IN THERE. WHETHER THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO THAT DEPEND ON YOU KNOW, WHO YOU BELIEVE AND WHO’S LOOKING AT IT. THE DEMOCRATS OBVIOUSLY WANT TO LOOK AT THIS TRANSCRIPT AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS. BUT OF COURSE SENIOR KDOJ OFFICIALS TELL US THEY DON’T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY VIOLATION OF ANY LAWS HERE. THERE WAS THIS ALLEGATION IN THEIR WORDS OF POTENTIAL VIOLATION OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. THEY DON’T SEE IT IN THE TRANSCRIPT OR IN THESE ALLEGATIONS. >>IN FACT A STATEMENT FROM AT LEAST A SENIOR DOJ OFFICIAL HERE. THAT SAYS THE AG WAS NOT ASKED BY THE PRESIDENT TO SPEAK WITH UKRAINE. WHICH IS THE SUGGESTION THAT ME MAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THROUGHOUT THE CONVERSATION. JEFF I WANT TO THANK YOU, WE MIGHT BE COMING BACK TO YOU. BUT FOR NOW I WANT TO BRING IN ED O’KEEFE, CBS NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT AND OF COURSE OLIVIA YOU ARE WITH US. SO LISTEN, ED, THE THING THAT KEEPS JULYING OUT AT ME ABOUT THIS IS YOU YES YOU KNOW MUCH OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT ALREADY SORT OF AGREED TO IS IN HERE. RIGHT? HE DOES TALK ABOUT CORRUPTION AND HIS CONCERN ABOUT CORRUPTION. HE DOES TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE’S CONCERNED THAT EUROPEAN NATIONS ARE NOT DOING THEIR FAIR SHARE. WHAT I CAN’T UNDERSTAND IS WHY RUDY GIULIANI IS INVOLVED IN ANY OF THIS AT ALL. HE’S SUPPOSED TO BE — NOT THE PRESIDENT, DONALD TRUMP’S PRIVATE ATTORNEY. WHY — >>VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. >>WHY IS HE — WHAT WOULD HE BE DOING THAT WOULD BE THE PEOPLE’S WORK? IF HIS PRIMARY FUNCTION IS TO SERVE AS DONALD TRUMP’S ATTORNEY? >>NOTHING. I MEAN, WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS DONALD TRUMP PERSON, HIS BIDDING. AND WAS ESSENTIALLY DEPLOYED TO UKRAINE AND TO EUROPE AND WE KNOW THIS ALREADY. TO — TO TRY TO DIG UP THIS STUFF ON THE BIDENS. NOW YOU HAVE ALMOST TWO THINGS. YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION THE PRESIDENT HAD WITH ANOTHER WORLD LEADERS ABOUT A POLITICAL RIVAL. AND YOU HAVE THE MERE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY NOT WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL, BUT PERSONAL ATTORNEY, WAS OVER THERE DOING THIS WORK AND APPARENTLY ENGAGING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AT THE SAME TIME. WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN GOING ALONG WITH THIS. SOME HAVE RAISED OBJECTIONS AND WE KNOW OTHERS MAY HAVE BEEN WILLING PARTICIPANTS, THERE’S BEEN REPORTING ON THIS. SO THAT ADDS ANOTHER LAYER TO THIS AS IF WE NEED ANOTHER ONE. BUT YOU KNOW, IT’S A REMINDER THAT GUILIANI HAS BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED IN A LOT OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN UP TO OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS AND CLEARLY HE WAS DEPLOYED TO TRY TO DIG UP DIRT ON POTENTIAL OPPONENTS. >>I THINK WHEN YOU HEAR FROM THE D OJ THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS NOT ASKED ACCORDING TO THE DOJ TO GET INVOLVED IN ANY OF THIS. >>THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE SIGHING SO FAR THIS MORNING. >>SO AT LEAST THE SNAPSHOT THAT WE HAVE NOW IS IT’S REALLY JUST RUDY GIULIANI WHO’S GOING OVER TO THE UKRAINE. BUT THOUGH IT SEEMS ODD IS IT ILLEGAL? >>WELL, THAT’S WHY WE HAVE KIM WHALEY WHO’S JOINING US FROM OUR DC BUREAU TO TALK ABOUT ALL THIS. IT’S INTERESTING TO ME KIM, YOU ARE HEARING NOW AS WE POINTED OUT EARLIER THAT A LOT OF THESE DOCUMENTS AT LEAST UNTIL WE GET THE FULL LIST OF WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT ARE GOING TO BE SEEN THROUGH THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER. SORT OF A RORSCHACH TEST AS YOU SAID EARLIER ANNE MARIE. I WANT TO READ FROM THE TRANSCRIPT THE ONE NOTE THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME. OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID TO THE PRESIDENT. HE SAYS QUOTE — THE OTHER THING THERE’S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT BIDEN’S SON. THAT BIDEN STOPPED THE PROSECUTION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THAT. SO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD BE GREAT. BIDEN WENT AROUND BRAGGING THAT HE STOPPED THE PROSECUTION SO IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO ME.” MY QUESTION IS, GIVEN THE — THE WIDTH OF IMPEACHMENT. THE THREAT OF IMPEACHMENT THAT BROUGHT DOWN THE NIXON PRESIDENTPY. LOOK THE PRESIDENT DEPARTMENT EXPLICITLY ASK THE PRESIDENT IN THIS TRANSCRIPT TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP HIM GET RE-ELECTED BUT JUST THE IDEA TO ME I’M CURIOUS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, THAT A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WOULD ASK A FOREIGN HEAD OF STATE TO LOOK INTO THE ALLEGATIONS OF HIS MAIN POLITICAL RIVAL. THAT ONE THAT IN ALL THE POLLS UP UNTIL THIS POINT SHOWED BEATING DONALD TRUMP IN 2020. IS THAT NOT SOMETHING? >>I MEAN, THIS IS ACTUALLY IN A WAY EASIER FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT INTO LEGAL STANDARDS AND TECHNICALITIES. LIKE WE WOULD BE IN A CRIMINAL COURTROOM. THIS IMPEACHMENT PROCESS IS A POLITICAL JUDGMENT. THE LAW IS NOT LIMITING THERE. YOU DO NOT NEED TO PROVE A CRIME BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. AND THE QUESTION HERE ISN’T REALLY WHETHER THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO. THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORKS. BUT AS YOU SAID THE ISSUE IS WHETHER WE’RE COMFORTABLE AS A SOCIETY HAVING A PRESIDENT OR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT BE ABLE TO USE THE POWER AND INFLUENCE OF THE OFFICE, EVEN IF THERE’S NOT A DIRECT QUID PRO QUO, IT’S A VERY IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE PLANET. RIGHT? TO BASICALLY GET A FOREIGN POWER TO MAYBE DIG UP WHETHER IT’S ACCURATE OR NOT, INFORMATION ON POLITICAL RIVALS AND THEIR CHILDREN. THAT IS – I THINK PUTS A MATTER OF LONGER SOMETHING THAT IS DEEPLY, DEEPLY TROUBLING. THAT BECAUSE THE IDEA IS THE NEXT DAY IT COULD BE YOU OR ME. IF THEIR PRESIDENCY HAS THAT KIND OF POWER TO BASICALLY USE THE OFFICE TO ENHANCE AND ENTRENCH HIS OWN POWER POTENTIALLY, EVEN IF IT DOESN’T VIOLATE A LAW, THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING FOR THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS WHICH IS I THINK WHY WE’RE EVEN HEARING SOME REPUBLICANS NOT NECESSARILY RUSH TO TRUMP’S DEFENSE HERE. WE’RE HEARING DEMOCRATS SAY YOU KNOW WHAT? IF I DON’T MAKE IT THE NEXT ROUND, IF I’M VOTED OUT, THAT’S OKAY. BECAUSE I’M HERE FOR THE INSTITUTION. NOT FOR MYSELF. AND I THINK THAT’S THE RIGHT LENS FOR ALL OF US IN THIS MOMENT. >>I WANT TO KEEP TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOU KIM IS THAT YOU SORT OF LIKE — ELEVATE US TO OUR SORT OF HIGHER IDEALS ABOUT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. BUT I WANT TO BRING IN NANCY CORDES. OUR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT. THE DEMOCRATS WASTED PRETTY MUCH NO TIME ISSUING A STATEMENT. WHAT’S THEIR TAKE ON THIS? >>Reporter: WELL, THEIR TAKE IS THAT FIRST OF ALL THEY HAVE SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THIS TRANSCRIPT IS COMPLETE. THEY SAY WHAT THEY’VE SEEN SO FAR IS DAMNING ENOUGH BUT THEY WANT TO BE REASSURED THAT THERE WASN’T MORE THAT WAS DISCUSSED HERE THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE TRANSCRIPT. AND SO THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE CHAIRMAN ADAM SCHIFF FOR EXAMPLE TOLD ME THIS MORNING THAT HE WANTS TO SPEAK TO OFFICIALS WHO WERE ON THAT CALL. AND GET ASSURANCES FROM THEM THAT THE READOUT REFLECTS THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION. BUT BEYOND THAT, DEMOCRATS ARGUE THAT WHAT THEY’VE SEEN IS ENOUGH TO CONVINCE MANY OF THEM THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS COMMITTED A IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. THEY SAY FIRST OF ALL, HE ASKED A FOREIGN POWERRER TO MANUFACTURE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, HE WITHHELD AID TO UKRAINE THAT CONGRESS HAD APPROPRIATED. THEY SAY THERE DOESN’T HAVE TO BE AN EXPLICIT QUID PRO QUO IN THAT CONVERSATION TO MAKE WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID WRONG. IN FACT, THEY ARGUE EVEN IF HE HADN’T WITHHELD THE MILITARY AID AT ALL, EVEN IF THAT WASN’T HANGING OVER THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE DURING THAT CONVERSATION, THEY SAY THAT IT WAS STILL WELL OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF THE PRESIDENCY FOR MR. TRUMP TO ASK A FOREIGN POWER TO ASSIST HIM IN THE U.S. ELECTION. AND SO DEMOCRATS SAY THAT WHAT THEY HAD KNOWN EVEN BEFORE THEY SAW THIS TRANSCRIPT WAS SERIOUS. THEY THINK IT’S EVEN MORE SERIOUS NOW. AND SPEAKER PELOSI HAS SAID MORE THAN ONCE ANNE MARIE AND VLAD SHE WANTS THE PARTY AND THE HOUSE MORE BROADLY TO WORK VERY EXPEDITIOUSLY. DEMOCRATS DON’T WANT THIS DRAKING ON FOR A NEAR. IN FACT SOME OF THEM HAVE TOLD ME THEY THINK THE HOUSE COULD PRODUCE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT WITHIN THE MONTH IF — IF MINDS ARE FOCUSED ON THIS. >>OKAY. NANCY, KIM STAND BY. WANT TO COME BACK TO OUR GUEST HERE AT THE TABLE WITH US. OLIVIA FIRST TO YOU. I WANT TO POINT OUT TOTTED AUDIENCE HERE IN THE FIVE PAGE DOCUMENT WE RECEIVED FROM THE WHITE HOUSE WHICH IS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. AT THE VERY BOTTOM EZ IT IS A MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION IS NOT A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF A DISCUSSION. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT MEANS ANYTHING. BUT HE SAID THEY WOULD BE RELEASING A VERBATIM DOCUMENT. SHOULD THAT CALL INTO QUESTION ANYTHING WE’RE READING HERE? >>THIS MAY BE AN INCOMPLETE PICTURE OF WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO ULTIMATELY UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE CALL. THE COMPLAINT ITSELF WE KNOW TO INVOLVE SOMETHING BEYOND JUST THIS ONE TRANSCRIPT. I’M NOT ACTUALLY ALSO LOOKING OVER THE OLC OPINION THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE RELEASED A LONG SIDE ALL OF THIS TRANSCRIPT. AND IT GIVES US SOME INSIGHT INTO THE COMPLAINT ITSELF. IT SAYS THAT THE COMPLAINANT IS DESCRIBING A HEARSAY REPORT. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS A SECONDHAND INFORMATION. CITING WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS WHO HAD RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THESE COMMUNICATIONS. IT IS SAYING THAT THE ICIG THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, HAD DEEMED IT TO BE CREDIBLE. AFTER FINDING SOME ARGUABLE POLITICAL BIAS. SOMETHING NO DOUBT THE PRESIDENT AND SOME OF HIS ALLIES ARE GOING TO PICK UP ON. >>THE WHISTLEBLOWER. IN OTHER WORDS THEY FOUND OUT THE HILLABLE BLOWER MAY HAVE A SLIGHT POLITICAL BIAS. >>THIS IS SOMETHING THE ICIG NOTED IN HIS REPORT. THIS IS WHAT THE DNI CONSULTED WITH THE DOJ ABOUT. IN WHICH IT DETERMINE THIS IS DOESN’T FALL IN THE DNI’S LANE BECAUSE IT DOESN’T HAVE TO DO WITH A MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. OR AN ONGOING INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY. IT HAS TO DO WITH COMFORTABLE DIPLOMATIC CONVERSATIONS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD. I THINK THESE ARE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THE COMPLAINT ITSELF WHICH DEMOCRATS ARE STILL PUSHING TO HAVE MADE AVAILABLE TO CONGRESS. THAT WE STILL WANT THE FIND OUT MORE ABOUT. >>JUST TO CLARIFY, IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO SECONDHAND MEANING THEY WEREN’T ON THE CALL. >>THE WHISTLEBLOWER. >>WAS NOT ON THE CALL BUT THEY WERE TOLD ABOUT IT SECONDHAND OR HEARD ABOUT IT FROM A WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL? >>THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS. THE COMPLAINANT ALLEGED HI OR SHE HEARD REPORTS FROM QUOTE WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD MADE STATEMENTS THAT THE COMPLAINANT VIEWED AS SEEKING TO PRESSURE THAT LEAD TORE TAKE AN OFFICIAL ACTION TO HELP THE PRESIDENT’S 2020 RE- ELECTION CAMPAIGN. >>THEN THE WATCHDOG FIGURED OUT THAT THIS — THAT THIS WHISTLEBLOWER, USING ALL THE RIGHT WORDS HERE, HAD A POTENTIAL POLITICAL BIAS? >>IT SAYS IT’S PRELIMINARY REVIEW FOUND SOME INDICATION OF AN ARGUABLE POLITICAL BIAS. BUT THE ICIG NEVERTHELESS CONCLUDED THAT THE COMPLAINT’S ALLEGATIONS NONETHELESS APPEARED CREDIBLE. >>SO ED, THE QUESTION BECOMES NOW FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND YOU KNOW AS YOU KNOW MITT ROMNEY YESTERDAY SAID THAT PERHAPS THE DEMOCRATS MAY HAVE GOTTEN AHEAD OF THEIR SKIS. THERE’S GOING TO BE SOME WHO ARE GOING TO SUGGEST THAT. LOOK THEY HAVEN’T EVEN SEEN THIS AND BECAUSE OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S SUPPORTERS HAVE SAID. LOOK THEY’VE BEEN AFTER THE PRESIDENT SINCE THE ELECTION. THAT MAYBE MITT ROMNEY WAS ON TO SOMETHING. BUT AS YOU HEAR FROM YOUR INTERVIEW WITH ADAM SCHIFF THEY DON’T THINK SO. >>THEY DON’T BECAUSE THEY’VE — THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT SAID WHAT HE SAID ADMITTING TO THIS. THEY BELIEVE NOW IS AN IMPEACHABLE ENOUGH OFFENSE OR WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT. BUT NOW READING THE DETAILS. YOU KNOW, THIS DOES SUGGEST THAT THIS WASN’T YOU KNOW, A PRINCIPLE. IT WASN’T A TOP SENIOR AIDE TO THE PRESIDENT. IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY WHO HEARD IT SECONDHAND. THE INFERENCE HERE THAT THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING WITH A POLITICAL BIAS I’D LOVE KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT. DOES THAT SEND — >>HE’D BEEN SAYING THAT ALL WEEK LONG. >>THAT COULD MEANS THIS SOMETHING WHO’S WORKED IN GOVERNMENT SINCE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND SOMEBODY WITH A HOLD OVER FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. COULD BE SOMEBODY WHO MAY BE IS KNOWN AMONG MEMBERS OF THE PRESIDENT’S INNER CIRCLE TO BE SOMEONE WHO’S BEEN CRITICAL OF THE PRESIDENT BEFORE. TO PUT THAT IN THERE. >>THIS IS COMING FROM DO J. THE IN THIS SORT OF LAURELLY DISPUTE AS TO WHETHER THIS WAS PROPERLY IN THE DNI’S LANE AND WHETHER THE COMPLAINT ACTUALLY NEEDED TO GO TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES FOR OVERSIGHT PUMPS. SO THERE IS STILL THE ICIG’S BELIEF IN ALL THIS AND WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL — WELL, HE’S ALREADY TESTIFIED BEFORE THE HOUSE INTEL AND HE’S GOING BEFORE SENATE INTEL TOMORROW. NOW IT BECOMES ESSENTIAL THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER HIM OR HERSELF TESTIFIES BEFORE CONGRESS. >>THEY’RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT? THE HOUSE AND SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY ARE WORKING WITH THAT PERSON’S ATTORNEY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN. >>ALL RIGHT SO WE STILL GOT KIM WHALEY AND NANCY CORDES AVAILABLE TO US STANDING BY. KIM, FIRST TO YOU. I THINK IT’S INTERESTING THAT PER SENIOR DOJ OFFICIAL, THEY SAY THIS. THE AG IS HAS NOT BEEN ASKED TO INVESTIGATE BIDE SEASON THE AG WAS NOT ASKED BY THE PRESIDENT TO SPEAK WITH EWE TRAIN. ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THE CALL UNTIL WEEKS LATER AND NEVER SPOKE TO GUILIANI ABOUT UKRAINE. THE QUESTION THAT WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THIS TRANSCRIPT AND WE’RE LIKE WHY IS RUDY GIULIANI, THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, ON THESE SORT OF MISSIONS TO OTHER COUNTRIES AT THE BED HE IS OF PRESIDENT? AND WHY THE PRESIDENT SAYING THAT THE AG AND RUDY ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS AND NOW THE AG IS SAYING OH I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. I DIDN’T KNOW THE PRESIDENT HAD THIS CALL. RUDY GIULIANI IS THE PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEY. BUT FOR DONALD J. TRUMP. >>JUST TO ADD TOE THAT, THE ACCUSATION IS THAT YOU KNOW THE PRESIDENT WAS DOING THIS DELIBERATELY TO STYMY HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT. SO HERE YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY DOING THE — PRESUMABLY HIS PERSONAL BIDDING WHICH WOULD NOT BE WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH HIS ADMINISTRATION. BUT PERHAPS WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH HIS CAMPAIGN. >>YES. SO SORT OF BACK TO BASICS. FOREIGN POLICY IS IMPORTANT AND CONFIDENTIALITY IN FOREIGN POLICY IS IMPORTANT. THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO HAVE COMMUNICATIONS THAT AREN’T MADE PUBLIC AND AREN’T WHAT HAPPENED OFF TO CONGRESS BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE. AND TO YOUR POINT, RUDY GIULIANI IS NOT IN SORT OF ON TEAM AMERICAN PUBLIC. HE IS ON TEAM TRUMP. AND SO WE DON’T AS I SAID BEFORE, FOR PURPOSES OF IMPEACHMENT WE DON’T NEED LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEMATIC FOR A PRESIDENT TO DO. LEGALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN TO THE POINT ON THE DOJ’S MEMO ON THE IG REPORT, I ALSO LOOKED AT THAT REPORT. I AS A LAWYER ALSO I THINK THEIR ARGUMENT THAT THE DOESN’T FALL WITHIN THE STATUTE IS QUITE SLIM. OR THIN. IN THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. HE IS THE HEAD OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND ALL THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES SO TO SUGGEST THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES’ CONVERSATIONS WITH FOREIGN LEADERS SOMEHOW FALL OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF INTELLIGENCE IS A REAL STRETCH. I HAVEN’T GOTTEN THROUGH ALL OF IT BUT TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT IN ADDITION TO THE NOTION THAT SOMEHOW THE WHISTLE BLOW IS BIASED. ISSUE IS WHAT ARE THE FACTS? WE HAVE A LOT OF FACTS THAT HAVE COME OUT AND WE’LL HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND HEAR PROBABLY FROM RUDY GIULIANI. IDEALLY ALSO HEAR FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES. THIS IS NOT A ONE CALL STORY. THIS IS NOT A FIVE PAGE TRANSCRIPT STORY. IT’S A MUCH BIGGER STORY WITH ú >>STAND BY KIM. WE WANT TO GO TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ON THE SENATE. LINDSEY GRAHAM. HE’S SPEAKING. LET’S LISTEN IN. >>THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT DID NOT FEEL THREATENED. HE WAS THE TARGET OF THE PHONE CALL. HE FELT FINE WITH WHAT HAPPENED. I’VE READ IT JUST LIKE YOU HAVE. YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION. BUT FROM A QUID PRO QUO RATIONFECT OF THE PHONE CALL, THERE’S NOTHING THERE. SUGGESTING THAT THE PROSECUTOR MAY HAVE BEEN FIRED BECAUSE OF A CONFLICTION OF INTEREST IS SOMETHING I HOPE SOMEONE WILL LOOK OVER HERE. NOT THE FIRING OF THE PROSECUTOR. BUT THE VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS A GOOD MAN. I HAVE ENJOYED A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IF ANY REPUBLICAN, FAMILY MEMBER, WAS ENGAGED IN CONDUCT LIKE THIS, IT WOULD RAISE QUESTIONS. YOU CAN ASK FOR THE PROSECUTOR TO BE FIRED IF YOU THINK HE’S CORRUPT AND IT’S IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES. A LOT OF PEOPLE FELT THE GUY WAS GRUB BUT THE ONE THING THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH HER IS THAT THE SON OF THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS RECEIVING A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE UKRAINE AND SOME OF THE SOURCES OF THE FUNDS WERE UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE PROSECUTOR. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS. I JUST HOPE SOMEBODY WILL LOOK AT IT AND I DON’T MIND THE PRESIDENT BRINGING UP THE IDEA MAYBE THE GUY WAS FIRED. BECAUSE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. >>HOW DOES IT NOT INAPPROPRIATE THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED THE PRESIDENT OF ANOTHER COUNTRY TO LOOK INTO A POLITICAL RIVAL WHO’S RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION POSSIBLY AGAINST ANYMORE. >>I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU LOOKED A IT. I THINK IT’S VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SUGGEST THAT YOU GOT A CORRUPTION PROBLEM AND THIS PROSECUTOR THAT WAS FIRED MAY BE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS CORRUPT. OR MAYBE BECAUSE HE WAS LOOKING — LOOKING AT SOMETHING CLOSE TO AMERICA HERE. THE VICE PRESIDENT’S SON WAS RECEIVING MONEY FROM THE UKRAINE. WAS ON A BOARD OF A COMPANY THAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF INVESTIGATION. THE QUESTION THAT GOT ME GOING WAS DID THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SUGGEST TO THE UKRAINE I WILL WITHHOLD MONEY UNLESS YOU GRAB FOR MY POLITICAL RIVAL? THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY NOT. THAT’S WHY I WANTED THE PHONE CALL TO BE RELEASED. I WANTED MUELLER TO DO HIS JOB AND HE WAS ABLE TO DO HIS JOB. NOW WE’RE GOING TO OPEN THE WHISTLEBLOWER. WHO TOLD YOU ABOUT THE PHONE CALL IF YOU WERE NOT ON IT YOURSELF? WHO IS IT IN THE SYSTEM THAT WENT TO THIS PERSON WHY DID THEY PICK THIS PERSON TO TELL ABOUT A PHONE CALL? AND WHY DID THE WHISTLEBLOWER FILE IMPLANT ABOUT SOMETHING IT HAD NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF? >>TO BE INVOLVED AT ALL IN — >>THE SENATE, SENT IT ALL TO THE INTEL COMMITTEE. SO. >>DEMOCRATS HAVE — ASKED YOU TO BRING IN ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR TO ASK HIM ABOUT ALL IS THIS AND THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT AND THE WHOLE PROCESS BEHIND THE SCENES. WILL YOU INVITE TIM TO TESTIFY? >>I WILL LOOK AT WRAP HERE. I MARINE BEFORE I KNEW WHAT WAS IN THE PHONE CALL I SAID IT’S A PRIVILEGE MATTER CLEARLY. BUT THE AURA AROUND THE PHONE CALL WAS DISTURBING. DID THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TAKE MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO THE UKRAINE AND THREAT ON THE WITHHOLD IT AND F HE DIDN’T GET HELP IN HIS RE- ELECTION? THE ANSWER IS NO. DID JOE BIDEN THREATEN TO WITHHOLD MONEY IF YOU DON’T FIRE SOMEONE IN THE UKRAINE? YES. MAYBE THERE’S A GOOD REASON TO DO THAT. BUT HERE’S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. THE PERSON YOU ASKED TO BE FIRED WAS INVESTIGATING COMPANIES THAT YOUR SON WAS PART OF. NOW SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT. I DON’T CARE TO LOOK AT IT. SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF POLITICS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW JOE BIDEN IS AN HONE RATIONAL DECENT BUY BUT THERE’S A CONFLICT HERE. IT’S OKAY TO TALK ABOUT THE OBVIOUS CONFLICT. >>ALLIES AND PEOPLE ON THE NATIONAL MONETARY FUND ALSO WANTED THE PROSECUTOR REMOVED. >>DID ANY OF THEM HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER WORKING IN THE UKRAINE? SO IT MAY BE JUSTIFIED THAT THIS GUY WAS CORRUPT. I DON’T KNOW. BUT I DO KNOW THIS. THAT THE PERSON ARGUING FOR HIM TO BE FIRED HAD A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND IF YOU DON’T SEE THAT CONFLICT, YOU ARE BLIND. IF YOU DON’T SEE THAT THERE’S A DOUBLE STANDARD HERE WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP AND EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU ARE BLIND. YOU ARE WILLFULLY BLIND. IF THIS HAD BEEN A REPUBLICAN, YOU WOULD BE ASKING WHAT RELATIONSHIP DID YOUR SON’S INVOLVEMENT IN THE UKRAINE HAVE TO YOUR DIVISION TO CALL FOR THE GUY TO BE FIRED? DID THE “NEW YORK TIMES” TIP OFF THE VICE PRESIDENT THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION THAT INVOLVES COMPANIES THAT YOUR SON MAY BE PART OF? I’M NOT ACCUSING THEM OF ANYTHING. BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF CONFLICT HERE THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD LOOK AT. >>THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT THOUGH ACCORDING TO REPORTING IS NOT JUST ABOUT THIS ONE PHONE CALL. SO WHEN YOU SAY — >>GET IT ALL OUT. WHAT DID YOU KNOW? TELL US EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW. TELL US DO YOU THINK SOMETHING UNTOWARD IS GOING ON? COME FORWARD IF YOU WANT TO. >>RIGHT NOW — WHISTLEBLOWER IS BEING BLOCKED BY THE REPORTING ON THE HILL. DO YOU THINK — >>I AM OFFERING THE WHISTLEBLOWER A CHANCE TO COME TO MY COMMITTEE. IF YOU WANT TO TELL THE STORY ABOUT WHAT BOTHERS YOU, COME TO THE COMMITTEE MANY I’LL DARE EVERYBODY IN THE SENATE TO STOP ME. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT PHONE CALL SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. THE ACCUSATION LEVELED BY CERTAIN PEOPLE BEFORE THEY READ THE PHONE CALL THAT’S FALLEN FLAT ON ITS FACE. THEY STARTED IMPEACHMENT BASED ON A PHONE CALL THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT. NOW THE PHONE CALL IS OUT. IF THIS IS GOING TO RESULT IN IMPEACHMENT OF A PRESIDENT. GOD HELP THE FUTURE PRESIDENTS. BUT IS THERE MORE THERE? COME FORWARD. I AM NOT AFRAID OF HEARING FROM YOU. YOU KNOW. IF PRESIDENT TRUMP DID SOMETHING WRONG, LET’S FIND OUT ABOUT IT. THE PHONE CALL — TO ME WAS NOTHING WRONG. >>DO YOU THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD LET THE WHISTLEBLOWER TESTIFY? >>I’M JUST — MAKING THE OFFER. I DON’T THINK THEY CAN STOP IT. >>RIGHT NOW THEY SEEM TOBE DOING THAT. >>I DON’T THINK THERE SEEM TO BE DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN BEING TRANSPARENT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS. WHO WROTE THE LAW AND NEVER ENVISIONED A CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT. THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST PRIVILEGED THING A PRESIDENT CAN DO. TALK TO A FOREIGN LEADER. GOING FORWARD LEADERS ARE GOING TO BE RELUCTANT TO TALK TO OUR PRESIDENT. BUT THIS WAS A UNIQUE MOMENT I THOUGHT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT AND IT’S BEING LOOKED AT. YOU HAVE GOT THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE PHONE CALL. YOU CAN READ IT FOR YOURSELF. I HAVE DETERMINED THAT THERE’S NOTHING THERE. BUT THIS IS NOT REMOTELY IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. I HAVE DETERMINED THERE’S A CONFLICT WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT. I’M NOT ACCUSING HIM OF DOING ANYTHING. >>ALL RIGHT WE’RE GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE WHERE SENATE MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER IS SPEAKING. >>OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT ABOVE THE NARROW CONSIDERATIONS OF PARTISAN POLITICS. NOW ON ANOTHER ISSUE, NOT DIRECTLY RELATED, BUT WITH THE SAME CAUSE WITH THE SAME WORRY, WITH THE SAME CONCERN AND OVERREACHING EXECUTIVE, THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION. THE COMMENCING OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IN THE HOUSE WHILE SIGNIFICANT IS NOT THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT ACTION CONGRESS WILL TAKE TODAY. NOR IS IT THE ONLY ACTION DEALING WITH THE PRESIDENT’S OVERREACH. TODAY THE SENATE WILL VOTE ON PRESIDENT TRUMP’S NATIONAL EMERGENCY DECLARATION WHICH HE IS USING TO STEAL MONEY FROM OUR MILITARY IN ORDER TO FUND A BORDER WALL. RATHER THAN ACCEPT THE REALITY THAT A BIPARTISAN MAJORITY HAS PETEEDLY REJECTED THIS IDEA AND AFTER DRAGGING THE COUNTRY THROUGH THE LONGEST GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IN AMERICAN HISTORY, WHEN HE DIDN’T GET HIS WAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP DELIBERATELY CIRCUMVENTED CONGRESS. DEMOCRATS, UNIVERSALLY OPPOSED THE PRESIDENT’S OUTRAGEOUS DECISION TO DECLARE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. SO LET ME DIRECT MY REMARKS THIS MORNING. TO MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES. THERE ARE TWO CRUCIAL REASONS FOR MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES TO VOTE TO TERMINATE THIS EMERGENCY. FIRST, THE VOTE TODAY IS THE SUREST AND LIKELY ONLY WAY TO RESTORE FUNDING THE PRESIDENT HAS STOLEN FROM OUR TROOPS. AND MILITARY PROJECTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. PRESIDENT TRUMP PROMISED MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR THE WALL. NOT AMERICAN TAXPAYERS AND CERTAINLY NOT THE MILITARY. THE MEN AND WOMEN AND THEIR FAMILIES INVOLVED IN KEEPING OUR NATION SECURE. PRESIDENT TRUMP BROKE THAT PROMISE AND NOW — >>STAY WITH US AND LIKE IT’S A POLITICAL WAR. THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE DONE THAT. THAT SHOULD BE AN IMPEACHEN EVENT I GUESS BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THE DEMOCRATS JUST CAME OUT. THEY WENT DOWN THERE A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND SOME OF WHOM I WAS DEALING WITH ON THE GUN ISSUE. AND THEY WENT DOWN AND PUT TREMENDOUS PRESSURE ON UKRAINE. THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF JUST CAME OUT WITH THE STATEMENT STAYING THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO PRESSURE PUT ON HIM AND THERE WASN’T. WHAT I DO WANT TO SEE IS I WANT TO SEE OTHER COUNTRIES HELPING UKRAINE ALSO. NOT JUST US. AS USUAL THE UNITED STATES HELPS AND NOBODY ELSE IS THERE. SO I WANT TO SEE OTHER COUNTRIES HELP. JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, IT’S THE SINGLE GREATEST WITCH HUNT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. PROBABLY IN HISTORY. BUT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. IT’S A DISGRACEFUL THING. THE LETTER WAS A GREAT LETTER MEANING THE LETTER REVEALING THE CALL. THAT WAS DONE AT THE INSISTENCE OF MYSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT READ IT. THERE WAS A FRIENDLY LETTER, THERE WAS NO PRESSURE. THE WAY YOU HAD THAT BUILT UP THAT CALL IT WAS GOING TO BE THE CALL FROM IT TURNED OUT TO BE A NOTHING CALL. OTHER THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID I NEVER KNEW YOU COULD BE SO NICE. SO — PART OF THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE THE FAKE NEWS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF CORRUPT REPORTING. YOU HAVE SOME VERY FINE REPORTERS AND JOURNALISTS BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF CORRUPT REPORTERS. A LOT OF CORRUPT JOURNALISTS. I WOULD RATE YOU RIGHT IN THERE BY THE WAY. AND — EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. SO — WE ARE HAVING IF YOU NOTICED THE STOCK MARKET WENT UP WHEN THEY SAW THE NONSENSE ALL OF A SUDDEN STOCK MARKET WENT DOWN VERY SUBSTANTIALLY YESTERDAY. WHEN THEY SAW THE CHARGE. AFTER THEY READ THE CHARGE, THE STORK MARKET WENT UP VERY SUBSTANTIALLY. WE HAVE CREATED THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. HAD MY OPPONENT WON, CHINA WOULD RIGHT NOW BE THE NUMBER ONE ECONOMY. BY FAR. AND RIGHT NOW, CHINA IS WAY BEHIND US AND THEY’LL NEVER CATCH US IF WE HAVE SMART LEADERSHIP. WAY BEHIND. WE’VE PICKED UP TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THEY’VE LOST TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND THEY WANT TO MAKE A DEAL VERY BADLY. COULD HAPPEN. COULD HAPPEN. IT COULD HAPPEN. IT COULD HAPPEN SOONER THAN YOU THINK. OUR MILITARY’S REBUILT. OUR MILITARY HAS NEVER BEEN STRONGER. WHEN I CAME IN IT WAS THE DEPLETED. OUR VETS ARE HAPPY. SO MANY GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING. AND THE DEMOCRATS FEEL THEY’RE GOING TO LOSE. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST POLL NUMBER RASMUSSEN. 53. BUT THEY SAY YOU CAN ADD TEN TO IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY YOU CAN ADD MORE THAN TEN TO IT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT BUT THEY WANT TO VOTE FOR TRUMP. SO I JUST SAY THIS. WE HAVE THE STRONGEST COUNTRY WE’VE EVER HAD. WE HAVE THE BEST ECONOMY WE HAVE EVER HAD. WE HAVE THE BEST UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS WE’VE EVER HAD. WE HAVE THE BEST EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS WE HAVE EVER HAD. WE HAVE NOW ALMOST 160 MILLION PEOPLE WORKING. THAT’S FAR MORE THAN WE’VE EVER HAD WORKING IN OUR COUNTRY BEFORE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. >>MAKE YOUR WAY OUT, MOVE, LET’S GO. >>WELL, HEARING FROM THE PRESIDENT AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM HIM BEFORE. THE KEY FOR HIM IS THAT THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE DID NOT FEEL ANY PRESSURE AT ALL. >>RIGHT. >>SO THUS I GUESS SUGGESTING THAT THE THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO. >>THE PRESIDENT SAYING THAT AS USUAL HE’S THE TARGET OF A WITCH HUNT. AND YOU JUST HEARD SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM SPEAKING TO REPORTERS BEFORE WE WENT TO THE PRESIDENT SAYING THAT AS FAR AS HE CAN TELL, BASED ON HIS READING OF THIS NOW TRANSCRIPT OF THIS PHONE CALL BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE LEADER OF UKRAINE, THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT TROUBLES HIM. COUPLE THAT WITH CHUCK SCHUMER ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE SAYING THERE’S AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE HAPPENING BASED ON THE TRANSCRIPT. WE HAVE KIM WHALEY AND FIRST TO YOU NANCY CORDES ON CAPITOL HILL. SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER. THAT THIS TRANSCRIPT AT LEAST IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS PROCESS, WAS GOING TO BE SEEN THROUGH THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER. IN OTHER WORDS, REPUBLICANS COMING OUT AND SAYING LOOK WE DON’T SEE ANYTHING THAT WORRIES US HERE AND DEMOCRATS AND — AND REPRESENTATIVES SAYING THAT THIS DOES CONSTITUTE AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. INTERESTINGLYENOUGH ODE JUST POINTED OUT THAT MITT ROMNEY MAY HAVE HAD A COMMENT EARLIER TO SOME REPORTERS WHAT HE’S READING IN THE TRANSCRIPT IS TROUBLING. >>SURE, AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE MORE REPUBLICANS WHO FIND IT TROUBLING WHO HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO SAY ANYTHING FOR THAT VERY REASON. YES, YOU DO HAVE SOME VERY VIGOROUS DEFENDERS OF THE PRESIDENT LIKE LINDSEY GRAM WHO WE HEARD FROM JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. WHO SAID THAT HE SAW NOTHING IN THIS CALL THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE HAS SAID THAT HE DIDN’T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT IT. WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS IN REFERENCE TO THAT CLAIM. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE WHO IS HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON THE U.S. FOR POLITICAL HELP AND FOR FINANCIAL HELP. SO IT NOT IN HIS INTEREST TO SAY THAT HE FELT PRESSURED, BADGERED, BULLIED. WHAT HAVE YOU. BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. BEYOND THAT WE KNOW THAT WHEN HE MET WITH SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY OF CONNECTICUT IN UKRAINE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, HE SAID SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT IN A PRIVATE CONVERSATION. HE TOLD MURPHY HE WAS VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS MILITARY AID, $400 MILLION WORTH WAS BEING HELD UP AND AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESSURE HE WAS GETTING FROM THE PRESIDENT. AND RUDY GIULIANI ABOUT LOOKING INTO VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON. SO I THINK THE QUESTION OF HOW PRESSURED THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE FELT AND WHEN IS SORT OF STILL AN OPEN QUESTION. AND THE REALITY IS THAT YES, THIS IS GOING TO BE TO SOME DEGREE A HE SAID SHE SAID. YOU KNOW IT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON YOUR POLITICAL PERSUASION TO SOME DEGREE. BUT POLITICAL REALITY IS THAT DEMOCRATS CONTROL THE HOUSE AND THEREFORE THEY CONTROL THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. AND OUR LATEST NUMBERS SHOW THAT MORE THAN 200 DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE NOW SAY THAT THEY ARE OPEN TO IMPEACHMENT. THEY’RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THAT MAGICAL 218 NUMBER THAT úW ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT THAT WERE TO COME BEFORE THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. >>KIM, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE’VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT IMPEACHMENT IF IT’S NOT AN INQUIRY OR ARTICLES OR WHATEVER THE CONVERSATION HAS COME UP A LOT IN THE NEWS. AND I’M WONDERING YOU KNOW, SOME HAVE SAID THAT THIS MAY BE A RISK IF THE DEMOCRATS CANNOT EVENTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY’RE IMPEACHING THE PRESIDENT RIGHT? PEOPLE WILL BE EXHAUSTED WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT KIND OF FEELS TO GO NOWHERE. BUT I WANT TO ASK KIM, IS THERE VALUE IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD VALUE FOR THE AMERICAN EOPLE? EVEN IF IT DOESN’T RESULT IN AN IMPEACHMENT? >>ABSOLUTELY. NO QUESTION. I MEAN, SO IMPEACHMENT IS JUST THE ACTUAL INDICTMENT SO TO SPEAK IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. IT’S THE LIST OF POTENTIAL REASONS TO REMOVE A PRESIDENT AND THEN THAT LIST GOES TO THE SENATE. AND THE SENATE WOULD ACTUALLY HOLD A TRIAL PRESIDED OVER BY THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES. BUT HISTORICALLY NEVER BEEN REMOVAL AT THE SENATE LEVEL. BUT WE HAVE SEEN YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT NIXON FEEL PRESSURED TO RESIGN AS A RESULT OF THAT. SO IT CAN HAVE EFFECTS. BUT BIGGER ISSUE IS, IF WE CANNOT HOLD A PRESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTABLE FOR WRONGDOING IN THE COURTS BECAUSE OF THE D OJ MEMO BANNING PROSECUTION OF A PRESIDENT, IT HAS TO BE IN THE CONGRESS. AND I HEAR THAT GRAHAM TALKING ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND TALKING ABOUT THE WHISTLEBLOWER. THOSE ARE DISTRACTIONS. THE ISSUE IS THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY. IS THE PERSON IN THAT OFFICE, THAT PERSON’S CONDUCT AND WHETHER THAT PERSON’S CONDUCT WARRANTS POLITICALLY A DIFFERENT PERSON IN OFFICE? WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOMEONE IN JAIL. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS THE KIND OF PERSON THAT IS SAFE TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS AND WITHOUT ANY SORT OF SPEED LIMITS AND TICKETS ON THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY? IF THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT’S A QUID PRO QUO, THAT’S ANOTHER DISTRACTION, THAT’S NOT REQUIRED TO JUSTIFY IMPEACHMENT. MAYBE THAT GETS THE PRESIDENT OFF THE HOOK BASED ON THESE FIVE PAGES OF EXTORTION. WHICH WOULD BE EVEN MORE SERIOUS. BUT IF WE DON’T HAVE LIMITS ON THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY, WE ARE CREATING AN UNLIMITED PRESIDENCY THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A MONARCHY. AND PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY LIMITS ON THEIR POWER TEND TO ABUSE IT. WHETHER IT’S THIS PRESIDENT OR THE NEXT PRESIDENT. THAT’S THE QUESTION THAT’S REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT OUR ELECTED MEMBERS CANT KEEP THEIR EYE ON THE BALL. AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS ITSELF HAS VALUE. EVEN IF HE STAYS IN OFFICE. >>ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS THE TOP OF THE HOUR HERE SO WE WANT TO SAY HI EVERYONE, I’M ANNE-MARIE GREENE ALONG VLADIMIR DUTHIERS. >>WE ARE CONTINUING TO FOLLOW THE RESPONSE AFTER THE WHITE HOUSE RELEASED A TRANSCRIPT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S JULY PHONE CALL WITH UKRAINE’S LEADER. IN THAT CALL, THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR AN INVESTIGATION INTO FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. AND SUGGESTS THE MEETING WITH HIS LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI SHOULD HAPPEN. >>UH-HUH. AND WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY. MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY. THE DOCUMENT IS NOT VERBATIM. IT’S AN INTERPRETATION OF THE CALL BY A WHITE HOUSE AIDE. AND IT’S NOT SLOWING DOWN DEMOCRATS AT ALL WHO JUST YESTERDAY CONVENED AN OFFICIAL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. ALL BASED AROUND A COMPLAINT THAT COMPLAINT HAS NOT YET BEEN MADE PUBLIC. THE PRESIDENT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE IS CALLING THIS A WITCH HUNT. >>ALL RIGHT, SO FOR MORE ON THIS, LET’S BRING IN CBS NEWS INTELLIGENCE AND NATIONAL SECURITY REPORTER OLIVIA GAZAS. ALONG SIDE HER IS ED O’KEEFE AND KIM WHALEY JOINS US FROM THE WASHINGTON BUREAU AND OUR CBS NEWS CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT NANCY CORDES IS ON CAPITOL HILL. SO FIRST NANCY LET’S BEGIN WITH YOU. THE QUESTION THAT WE’VE BEEN POSING ALL MORNING LONG IS SORT OF WHAT IS NEXT FOR DEMOCRATS? I KNOW THAT TOMORROW IS GOING TO BE A BIG DAY ON CAPITOL HILL. WITH ALL THE TESTIMONY THAT’S EXPECTED TO HAPPEN. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL, THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COME FORWARD? >>THEY ARE SCRAMBLING. THEY THEY ARE SCRAMBLING. THAT IS CONTINGENT ON ON IF THE WHISTLEBLOWER IS LEGALLY PROTECTED IF THEY DO SO ADAM SCHIFF TOLD ME THIS MORNING THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER IS EAGER TO TALK BOTH TO THE HOUSE AND SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES AND TIME IS REALLY OF THE ESSENCE HERE FOR THOSE COMMITTEES BECAUSE CONGRESS IS SET TO TAKE A TWO WEEK BREAK STARTING ON FRIDAY. THE DEMOCRATS WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO GET THIS INTERVIEW DONE BEFORE THEY LEAVE, BEFORE THE MOMENTUM SLOWS. BEYOND THAT, WHAT PELOSI LAID OUT IN HER ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SHE WAS EMBRACING A FORMAL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IS THE FACT THAT THE SIX CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES THAT HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING VARIOUS POTENTIAL ACTS OF WRONG DOING, THEY WILL CONTINUE ON THOSE PATHS. THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE COMMITTEE ESTABLISHED TO LOOK AT THE UKRAINE CONTROVERSY OR ANY OTHER POTENTIAL IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE THAT THE COMMITTEES ARE ALREADY PRETTY FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND THAT YOU WOULD ONLY BE SLOWING THE PROCESS DOWN IF YOU WERE TO CREATE AN ENTIRELY NEW WATERGATE STYLE SELECT COMMITTEE. SO THOSE COMMITTEES WILL CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE. AS PELOSI PUT IT, SHE WANTS THEM TO WORK EXPEDICIOUSLY. THEY DO NOT WANT THE PROCESS TO DRAG FOR A YEAR AND ENABLE REPUBLICANS TO ARGUE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT DEMOCRATS CARE ABOUT NO ONE ELECTIONEER IS IMPEACHMENT. THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL RUN POINT. úTHEY WILL DECIDO INITIATE CHARGES AGAINST THIS PRESIDENT, WHETHER TO VOTE ON ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AND ONCE THEY DO SO IN THE COMMITTEE, THEN THOSE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE FULL HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT IS A BIGGER QUESTION MARK. AS YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE NO REPUBLICAN SENATORS AND REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED CONTROL THE SENATE WHO ARE ON BOARD WITH THE NOTION OF IMPEACHMENT RIGHT NOW.>>OLIVIA, FOR THE PEOPLE JUST TUNING IN, LET’S GO BACK TO THIS DOCUMENT WHICH IS THE TRANSCRIPT WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE. IT IS NOT WORD FOR WORD.>>IT IS NOT VERBATIM. IT IS NOT THE CLOSED CAPTIONING AS IT IS HAPPENING. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS. THE BIGGEST THING THAT JUMPED OUT WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH THIS.>>IT IS ALREADY BEING DISCUSSED AS THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER ON WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT IS CONDUCTING HIMSELF APPROPRIATELY OR WHETHER HIS CONDUCT MERITS AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. JUST LOOKING AT THE WORDS, I THINK IT IS STRIKING TO ME, EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PUT A FINGER ON THE QUID PRO QUO, THE PRESIDENT ASKS, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE SAYING WHATEVER YOU CAN DO, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO IT, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE, YOU KNOW, RESPONDS, I GUARANTEE THAT AS PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE THAT ALL OF THE INVESTIGATIONS WILL BE DONE OPENLY AND CANDIDLY. AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO ME. I’M SURE YOU’LL FIGURE IT ALL OUT. IT IS NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, I WILL GIVE YOU X IF YOU DO Y, BUT THERE IS CLEARLY A VERY — THERE IS A LEVEL OF PRESSURE THERE THAT I THINK IS BEYOND DISPUTE.>>WHEN YOU READ IT, THE PRESIDENT SAID, LISTEN, HE SAID TWO THINGS. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT CORRUPTION AND HE SAID I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. HE DOES MENTION THAT BUT HE MENTIONED THAT ONCE EACH. THE TWO THINGS ONCE EACH. HE KEEPS COMING BACK AROUND TO BIDEN AND INVESTIGATING BIDEN AND TALK TO RUDY GUILIANI AND THE AG.>>THE QUESTION BECOMES THE PRESIDENT’S INTERESTS ALL OF A SUDDEN IN CORRUPTION AND WHY SPECIFICALLY UKRAINE. THERE ARE A LOT OF COUNTRIES THAT THE UNITED STATES DEALS WITH THAT ARE CORRUPT AND THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM DEALING WITH KIM JONG UN. HE DOESN’T HAVE A PROBLEM DEALING WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN OR A LOT OF UNSAVORY PEOPLE, MOHAMMED BIN SALMAN ACCUSED OF HAVING MURDERED A JOURNALIST. AND YET HERE, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HE IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CORRUPTION AND SPECIFICALLY HOW IT RELATES TO HIS POLITICAL RIVAL, ED, SO FOR DEMOCRATS ON CAPITOL HILL, THAT IS WHAT THEY’RE LOOING AT. REPUBLICANS, ON THE OTHER HAND, SEEM TO BE GOING BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW. WHETHER THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO, WELL, THE PRESIDENT, BASED ON THIS INTERRUPT, DIDN’T ASK FOR SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE FOR SOMETHING ELSE. AS WE HAVE BEEN POINTING OUT, IT WILL DEPEND ON HOW YOU READ IT.>>ABSOLUTELY. THIS WILL DEPEND ON WHO THIS WHISTLEBLOWER IS, HOW THE HOUSE AND SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE GET TO TALK TO THAT PERSON, IF AT ALL. AND, YOU KNOW, AND JUST HOW DEMOCRATS IN GENERAL HANDLE THESE ALLEGATIONS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. I HAVE BEEN PRESSING PEOPLE. NANCY HAS, TOO. HOW QUICKLY CAN THIS HAPPEN? WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN? WE HAVE THE TWO WEEK RECESS THAT STARTS AT THE END OF THE WEEK BECAUSE OF THE JEWISH HOLIDAYS THAT THEY’RE TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS TO GO HOME AND EXPLAIN THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION TO CONSTITUENTS AND BUILD SUPPORT IN THEIR DISTRICTS FOR THIS AND BUILD AWARENESS OF IT. I SAID DOESN’T THIS ALSO POTENTIALLY OPEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO JUST SORT OF FESTER AND GO AWAY AND FOR PEOPLE TO FORGET ABOUT IT? HE SAID SURE, GIVEN HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE ON BOARD WITH THIS, THEY HAVE TO GO HOME AND TALK ABOUT THIS AND SEE IF SUPPORT BUILDS UP. YOU KNOW, IT IS TELLING, AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT ANT AND THE SPEAKER SPOKE YESTERDAY. HE SEEMED TO BE TRYING TO WARD THIS OFF AND THEY WERE SHOCKED, THE PRESIDENT WAS, THAT SHE DID WHAT SHE DID LAST NIGHT BY SAYING WE’RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS. IT HAS BEEN RELEASED. THIS SHOWS YOU HOW QUICKLY ALL OF THIS HAS TRANSPIRED AND HOW GRAVE MANY LAWMAKERS THOUGHT IT WAS AND HOW GRAVE POTENTIALLY THE WHITE HOUSE THOUGHT IT WAS, THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY SHOULD PUT IT OUT THERE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO INTERPRET IT. WHAT YOU’RE HEARING THE PRESIDENT AND HIS SUPPORTERS NOW DO IS SAY OKAY, HERE IS ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE PRESIDENT ON THE UKRAINE. NOW LET’S GO ASK JOE BIDEN WHAT HE AND HIS SON WERE DOING IN THE UKRAINE. PERHAPS VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD RELEASED TRANSCRIPTS OF HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE UKRAINIAN LEADERS.>>THAT IS ONE PART OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT. THERE MAY BE MORE WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR THE WHISTLEBLOWER, HIM OR HERSELF TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEES AND GIVE MORE OF THE STORY AS TO WHAT ELSE MIGHT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THAT IS OF CONCERN.>>WE HAVE NANCY CORDES AND WHALEY IN D.C.. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? WE JUST HEARD FROM LINDSEY GRAHAM. WE HEARD FROM CHUCK SCHUMER, BUT I’M CURIOUS WHAT SOME SENATE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING OR WHAT HAPPENS NOT SAYING. I KNOW THAT LINDSEY GRAHAM YESTERDAY SEEMED TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM ALL OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE HILL.>>RIGHT. WELL, I’M JUST LOOKING AT MY PHONE FOR A SECOND BECAUSE OUR PRODUCER WAS ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH MITT ROMNEY, THE SENATOR FROM UTAH, AS YOU KNOW, HE IS ONE OF THE REPUBLICANS WHO HAS BEEN MOST CRITICAL OF THE PRESIDENT. AT THE SAME TIME HE SAID LAST NIGHT HE FELT PERHAPS NANCY PELOSI HAD GOTTEN A LITTLE OUT OVER HER SKIS ON THE IMPEACHMENT FRONT. HE WAS SAYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TODAY AFTER READING THAT TRANSCRIPT. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT HE SAID. HE SAID I DID READ THE CRYPT. IT REMAINS TROUBLING IN THE EXTREME. IT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING. HE SAYS THERE IS A PROCESS THAT THE HOUSE IS PURSUING. THE SENATE IS ALSO LOOKING AT THE TESTIMONY OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER SO THERE IS AN EVALUATION OF GATHERING MORE FACTS AND THIS IS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU WERE HEARING FROM MANY DEMOCRATS AS WELL. THEY SAY CLEAR AWAY ALL OF THE NOISE, CLEAR AWAY ALL OF THE POLITICS. WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS SUMMERY OF THE PHONE CALL IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY EXPECTED TO SEE. THE PRESIDENT PRESSURING THE LEADER OF A FOREIGN NATION TO GATHER DIRT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S POLITICAL OPPONENT. THE PRESIDENT IS NOT TELLING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE TO CRACKDOWN ON CORRUPTION IN HIS COUNTRY MORE BROADLY AS THE PRESIDENT INITIALLY CLAIMED. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS SOLELY ASKING HIM TO DIG UP DIRT ON A POLITICAL OPPONENT, TO INVESTIGATE HIS POTENTIAL 2020 RIVAL. DEMOCRATS SAY YOU DON’T NEED TO KNOW ANY MORE THAN THAT.>>YOU KNOW, KIM, I’M REMINDED OF THE SMOKING GUN TAPE DURING THE WATERGATE CRISIS WHERE LEADING UP TO THAT MOMENT THERE WAS INVESTIGATION AFTER INVESTIGATION. ON CAPITOL HILL, THEY WERE STRUGGLING WITH WHAT TO DO AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE SMOKING GUN TAPE COMES OUT WHERE NIXON IS IN THE OVAL OFFICE WITH HANDLEMAN AND NIXON BARELY ACKNOWLEDGES A COMMENT ABOUT HE MAKES ABOUT OBSTRUCTION. HE GRUNTS A RESPONSE AND THAT WAS ENOUGH FOR THE THREAD OF IMPEACHMENT BACK IN 1972. HERE YOU HAVE THIS DOCUMENT AND WE DON’T EVEN HAVE THE FULL STORY YET BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER, BUT THE PROCESS AND THE SEPARATION OF THE THREE CO-EQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT IS AT THE HEART OF WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THE PRESIDENT’S ABILITY TO CONDUCT HIS RESPONSIBILITY AS THE PRESIDENT, FOR SURE, AND CONDUCT NATIONAL SECURITY CONVERSATIONS WITH FOREIGN LEADERS FOR SURE, BUT WHAT HE IS ASKING IN THE CONVERSATION IS REALLY WHAT THE CONGRESS IS LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THEIR OVER SIGHT OVER THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.>>YEAH AND THERE IS A BIT OF A, I THINK, SMOKE IN MIRRORS, AND MAKING THIS ABOUT, LINDSEY GRAHAM MAKING THIS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ABILITY TO HAVE CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION WITH FOREIGN LEADERS. CONGRESS DID NOT ASK FOR THE ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT HERE UNLIKE IN WATERGATE WHERE CONGRESS ACTUALLY HAD TO FIGHT ALL THE WAY TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT TO GET THE TAPES. AS YOU SUGGESTED, ONCE THE TAPES CAME TO LIGHT, THEN IT WAS A HOUSE OF CARDS. THINGS QUICKLY FELL AGAINST NIXON POLITICALLY. BUT HERE, WE BASICALLY HAVE, WE HAVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT. WE STILL DON’T HAVE IT. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TURNED OVER SEVEN DAYS. AS I SAID, I DON’T THINK THAT THE ANALYSIS IN THE D. O. J. MEMO IS PARTICULARLY SOLID. THEY CAN MAKE THAT CALL AND THEY DID MAKE THE CALL, BUT IN THIS MOMENT, THE ISSUE IS WE STILL DON’T HAVE THAT. WHAT WE HAVE IS WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE DECIDED TO MAKE AN ISSUE OUT OF BY PUTTING IT OUT AS THE TRANSCRIPT WHEN NO ONE ASKED FOR THAT. IT IS TRUE THAT THAT IS THE CORE OF EXECUTIVE POWER. THAT IS IN ARTICLE 2. BUT THAT IS NOT REALLY AT STAKE HERE. I DISAGREE WITH LINDSEY GRAHAM IN SUGGESTING THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THAT IS SHIFTING THE NARRATIVE. WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY. THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY. THESE KINDS OF THINGS GO UNCHECKED WHICH I THINK OLIVIA DID A GREAT JOB WALKING THROUGH WHY THERE ARE SOME REAL CONCERNS IN THIS TRANSCRIPT. IF THESE THINGS GO UNCHECKED, WHAT WE WILL GET AS THE AMERICAN POPULUS IS UNCHECKED OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY. IT IS WHAT THE REVOLUTIONARIES FOUGHT AND DIED TO PROTECT. THEY DID NOT WANT A KING GEORGE ANYMORE BULLYING THEM INTO HAVING UNLIMITED POWER. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. NOT ABOUT WHETHER THE WHISTLEBLOWER HAD A BIAS OR THIS PIECE OF, YOU KNOW, DETAIL, THAT PIECE OF DETAIL. IT IS THE OVER ALL PICTURE THAT I THINK WE ALL NEED TO REALLY KEEP OUR EYE ON IN THIS MOMENT.>>YOU DON’T CARE, KIM, IF, AS SOME REPUBLICANS ARE POINTING ON THAT THE DISCUSSIONS THAT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD WITH THE UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS COME OUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY WERE FORCED TO RELEASE THIS SO CALLED TRANSCRIPT? THAT DOESN’T MATTER TO YOU AS FAR AS THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY AND THE WAY THE PRESIDENT IS CONDUCTING HIMSELF?>>I’M NOT SURE I WOULD MAKE THAT LEAP BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE WHITE HOUSE DECIDED TO MAKE AN ISSUE OUT OF THE TRANSCRIPTS. THEY SAID WE WON’T RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPTS. THEY THERE WAS NEVER A REQUEST FOR THE TRANSCRIPTS. THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT AND SO TO THE STENT TO WHICH THERE IS SOMETHING WAIVED AS FAR AS THE WHITE HOUSE’S PREROGATIVE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF TRANSCRIPT CONFIDENTIAL, THAT IS ON THE WHITE HOUSE. THAT IS THE UNILATERAL RAL DECISION TO DO THAT. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT CONGRESS AT SOME POINT WOULD NOT HAVE ASKED FOR IT BUT IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE DID THIS UNILATERALLY THAT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO FOLLOW SUIT OR THE DETERMINATION SHOULD BE MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION BUT I THINK THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND WITH RESPECT TO MR. BIDEN, WE DON’T HAVE THE DETAILS BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS A FOREIGN POLICY, DIPLOMATIC DISCUSSION. IT WAS FOR A POLICY PREROGATIVE ON BEHALF OF THE UNITED STATES. IT WAS NOT, HEY, DO SOMETHING FOR MY SON. WE DON’T HAVE ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY LOOKING LIKE THAT, AND OF COURSE, JOE BIDEN IS NOT PRESIDENT. IF HE IS PRESIDENT AND HE DOES STUFF LIKE THIS, HE SHOULD BE UNDER THE SAME KIND OF SCRUTINY BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS THE OFFICE, NOT THE MAN OR THE WOMAN.>>I WENT AHEAD BACK TO NANCY CORDES, ADAM SCHIFF TWEETED. WHAT HE TWEETED IS SOMETHING HE HEARD THE PRESIDENT’S CRITICS SUGGEST ABOUT HIM BEFORE IN THE WAY HE SPEAKS.>>RIGHT. AND THIS IS THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, SO THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE PERSON WHO IS TWEETING THIS COMMENT MAKES IT MORE SIGNIFICANT. HERE IS WHAT HE SAYS AFTER READING A TRANSCRIPT OR A SUMMARY BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND UKRAINE. IT READS LIKE A CLASSIC MOB SHAKE DOWN. WE DO A LOT FOR UKRAINE. I HAVE A FAVOR TO ASK, INVESTIGATE MY OPPONENT. MY PEOPLE WILL BE IN TOUCH. NICE KREFRM YOU GOT THERE WOULD BE A SHAME IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO HER. SO THE POINT THAT HE IS MAKING COLORFULLY IS THAT YOU DON’T NEED TO HAVE AN EXPLICIT QUID PRO QUO. YOU DON’T NEED HIM SAYING I WON’T GIVE YOU THE MILITARY AID UNLESS YOU DO THIS FOR ME. WHAT SCHIFF IS SAYING IS THAT THE THREAT IS IMPLICIT. THE PRESIDENT, ONE WEEK BEFORE THIS PHONE CALL, ONE WEEK BEFORE THE FIRST PHONE CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE EVER, HAD SUDDENLY, MYSTERIOUSLY, UNEXPECTEDLY DECIDED TO WITHHOLD $400 MILLION IN MILITARY AID. THAT FACT IS HANGING OVER THE ENTIRE PHONE CALL.>>WHAT HE IS ASKING VOTERS TO DO IS READ BETWEEN THE LINES AND GO ALONG WITH HIM ON THIS RIDE. PART OF THE SORT OF POLITICAL CALCULATION FOR DEMOCRATS IS WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WILL WANT TO GO ALONG FOR THIS RIDE WITHOUT SOME CLEAR CUT PROOF, NANCY.>>CORRECT, AND WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE ARGUING IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY POLITICALLY DAMAGING FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE SAME WAY THAT IMPEACHING BILL CLINTON WAS DAMAGING BACK IN THE LATE 1990’S FOR REPUBLICANS. BECAUSE VOTERS WILL FEEL SORRY FOR THE PRESIDENT. VOTERS WILL VIEW THE OPPOSITION PARTY AS HAVING OVER REACHED. WHAT DEMOCRATS ARGUE AND THEY’RE CERTAINLY HOPING THAT THEY’RE RIGHT. IT IS HARD TO PROVE ANYTHING AHEAD OF TIME, BUT WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS THE CASE IS THAT THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM BILL CLINTON IN THE 1990’S. THIS IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY, THEY ARGUE THAT IMPEACHMENT CASE WAS DECIDEDLY NOT AT THE HEART OF THAT IMPEACHMENT CASE WAS AN AFFAIR AND PERJURY. FURTHERMORE, THEY ARGUE THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON WAS A LOT MORE POPULAR BACK IN THE LATE ’90s WITH APPROVAL RATINGS IN THE 50s, 60s, AND 70s, THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOW. HIS APPROVAL RATINGS ARE QUITE A BIT LOWER AND THEY BELIEVE THAT WILL CONTINUE. THEY BELIEVE HE HAS A CEILING OF SUPPORT THAT HE HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET BEYOND AND THEY THINK THAT WILL BE THE CASE NOW. THAT IS THE REASON AND ED MENTIONED THIS A SHORT TIME AGO. THAT TENSION IS THE REASON THAT SO MANY DEMOCRATS BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO COMPLETE THIS PROCESS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. THEY DON’T WANT TO DRAG IT OUT EVEN IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY COULD GET MORE DOCUMENTATION. MORE EVIDENCE IF THEY WAITED AND WORKED AND WENT THROUGH THE COURTS. THEY WANT TO GET THIS DONE AND GET IT OVER WITH BECAUSE THEY FEAR THAT THE LONGER THIS DRAGS ON, THE EASIER IT IS FOR REPUBLICANS TO ARGUE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT DEMOCRATS CARE ABOUT IS IMPEACHMENT.>>IS THERE A DEBATE NOW ABOUT WHY NOT JUST PROCEED ON IMPEACHMENT ON THIS SPECIFIC MATTER? AND NOT ON ALL OF THE OTHER ONES?>>SURE. I HAD A DEMOCRAT ARGUE TO ME THAT THEY COULD BRING ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT TO THE HOUSE BY END OF THE WEEK IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO. THAT IS HOW QUICKLY THEY WANT TO DO THIS AND GET IT BEHIND THEM. WHAT THEY REL FEEL IS SENDING A MESSAGE TO INDEPENDENT AND REPUBLICAN VOTERS IN THEIR DISTRICTS, THE KIND OF VOTERS THEY NEED TO WIN OVER A SLIVER OF THE VOTERS IN ORDER TO GET REELECTED. THEY DON’T WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT RATHER ON WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE DISTRICT OR THEIR STATE, WHAT THEY’RE REALLY FOCUSED ON IS TRYING TO FIND VARIOUS WAYS TO PUNISH THE PRESIDENT. THEY SAY, LOOK, EVEN IF WE IMPEACH HIM FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE BECAUSE WE’RE NOT GETTING OUR HANDS ON THE DOCUMENTS WE WANT, FINE. LET’S DO IT AND LET’S MOVE ON.>>WE CAN PUT IT ANOTHER WAY THAT MAYBE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. THIS ONE IS A LOT EASIER TO DIGEST. WE HAVE TAPES AND WE’RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE RECEIPTS.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>AND ALL OF THE OTHER ONES, EMOLUMENTS, WRONG DOING BY THE FAMILY, ELECTION INTERFERENCE IN 2016, HARDER TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE.>>THE MUELLER REPORT DIDN’T DELIVER WHAT THE DEMOCRATS THOUGHT IT MIGHT. THIS IS EASIER SO YOU HAVE SEEN SO MANY OF THEM SUGGEST IT. WHY DON’T YOU PROCEED ON THIS ONE ARTICLE.>>LET’S PLAY THE PRESIDENT’S REACTION TO THE RELEASE OF THIS SO CALLED TRANSCRIPT, THE MEMORANDUM. HE WAS SPEAKING AT THE UNITED NATIONS MOMENTS AGO. LET’S PLAY THAT.>>NO PRESSURE WHATSOEVER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATS, THEY WENT DOWN TO SEE THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE AND THEY ASKED HIM FOR ALL SORTS OF THINGS AND DON’T GO WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND STAY WITH US AND LIKE IT IS A POLITICAL WAR. THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE DONE THAT. THAT SHOULD BE AN IMPEACHABLE EVENT BASED ON WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. THE DEMOCRATS JUST CAME OUT, THEY WENT DOWN, THEY’RE A GROUP OF PEOPLE. SOME I WAS DEALING WITH THE GUN ISSUE, AND THEY WENT DOWN, PUT TREMENDOUS PRESSURE ON THE UKRAINE. THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF JUST CAME OUT WITH A STATEMENT SAYING THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO PRESSURE PUT ON HIM AND THERE WASN’T. WHAT I DO WANT TO SEE IS I WANT TO SEE OTHER COUNTRIES HELPING UKRAINE ALSO, NOT JUST US. AS USUAL, THE UNITED STATES HELPS SO NOBODY ELSE IS THERE. I WANT TO SEE OTHER COUNTRIES HELP. JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, IT IS THE SINGLE GREATEST WITCH HUNT IN AMERICAN HISTORY, PROBABLY IN HISTORY, BUT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. IT IS A DISGRACEFUL THING. THE LETTER WAS A GREAT LETTER, MEANING THE LETTER REVEALING THE CALL DONE AT THE INSISTENCE OF MYSELF. THERE WAS NO PRESSURE. THE WAY YOU HAD THAT BUILT UP, THAT CALL, IT WAS GOING TO BE THE CALL FROM IT TURNED OUT TO BE A NOTHING CALL OTHER THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID I NEVER KNEW YOU COULD BE SO NICE.>>ALL RIGHT. SO.>>I MISSED THAT PART AT THE END WHEN I FIRST HEARD IT.>>WE HAVE BEEN GETTING REACTION RESPONSES FROM LAWMAKERS. WE HAVE SOMETHING FROM SENATOR MITT ROMNEY. HE WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. NANCY PELOSI GOT AHEAD OF HER SKIS YESTERDAY. NOW THIS IS WHAT HE IS SAYING.>>I DID READ THE TRANSCRIPT. IT REMAINS TROUBLING IN THE EXTREME. IT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING. THE PROCESS IS TO CONTINUE GATHERING INFORMATION. CLEARLY WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE TRANSCRIPT ITSELF IS DEEPLY TROUBLING.>>KEEP LISTENING.>>THERE IS MORE TO IT.>>MORE TO IT BECAUSE –>>HE ESSENTIALLY WAS ASKED, WELL, DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE HOUSE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD? NO. NANCY PELOSI SHOULD FIGURE THAT OUT. I’M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF GIVING HER ADVICE BUT OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE NEED TO CONTINUE PURSUING WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND THEN REITERATED BUT THIS IS DEEPLY TROUBLING.>>THE SENATE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO GET THIS WHISTLEBLOWER DOCUMENT.>>BUT THAT IS A VOTING UNANIMOUSLY TO MAKE SURE THE SUN COMES UP TODAY. THAT IS WHAT MR. McCONNELL SAID YESTERDAY. WE’LL GET THIS. THEY WERE WORKING ON IT. IF YOU NEED US TO SHOW BOAT, WE WILL. MAYBE IT IS AN INSURANCE POLICY BECAUSE IF THINGS GO ONE WAY, THEY’RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY. YOU REALLY WANTED TO DO THAT, FINE, BUT YOU’RE WASTING OUR TIME. LOOK, ROMNEY SAYING IT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING. THERE IS A STRAIN OF THOUGHT ON CAPITOL HILL THAT YOU ASK SOMEONE LIKE SUSAN COLLINS, JEFF FLAKE, THEY WILL SAY THAT IS CONCERNING IT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING AND THEN COME ON BOARD WITH THE REST OF THE REPUBLICANS AND HOLD BACK. ROMNEY CAN SAY THIS TODAY, LET’S SEE WHERE HE IS IN A FEW WEEKS. THAT IS THE BIGGER TEST. IT IS A SIGN THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THEM NOW, PUBLICLY, ARE WILLING TO GO OUT THERE AND SAY THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT WHAT WENT ON HERE. SENATORS, GIVING THEIR STATURE AND CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATIONS ON FOREIGN POLICY AND THINGS LIKE, THAT THEY WILL BE TROUBLED BY THIS. THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE. THIS ISN’T SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE DOING IN THE MINDS OF LAWMAKERS AND THE FACT THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT IS BEING WITHHELD SO FAR IS ANOTHER TROUBLING ISSUE FOR SENATORS BECAUSE THOSE MATTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEEN BY CONGRESS, IF NECESSARY. ULTIMATELY, IF IT SHAKES OUT THAT THIS IS MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING DID.>>WE SHOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT IF YOU WANT TO READ THE MEMORANDUM, SO CALLED TRANSCRIPT, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT IT IS NOT VERBATIM BUT A SUMMARY OF THE CONVERSATION.>>OF PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE MEETING AND WHO MAY HAVE TAKEN NOTES.>>RIGHT. YEAH, IT IS SORT OF A SECONDHAND VERSION OF THE CONVERSATION.>>WE’LL ASK YOU MORE ABOUT THAT. WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN READ IT FOR THEMSELVES ON OUR WEBSITE. YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL DETAILS TO GIVE US CONTEXT, RIGHT THAT SN THAT IS ONE OF THE LITTLE POINTS THAT YOU READ ABOUT.>>RIGHT. SO ALONG SIDE THE SO CALLED TRANSCRIPT THAT WAS RELEASED TODAY WAS THIS OLC OPINION, THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL FROM THE DOJ LAYING OUT THE DECISION MAKING AS TO WHY IT DIDN’T DETERMINE THIS TO BE IN THE DNI’S LANE AND THEY COULDN’T TRANSMIT THE ENTIRETY TO CONGRESS. IT DOESN’T INVOLVE SOMEONE WITHIN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND IT DOESN’T INVOLVE AN ONGOING INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY. SO IT IS LEGAL RATIONAL THERE. WE DO HAVE SOME DETAILS VIA D. O. J. ABOUT THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT. IT IS DESCRIBED AS A HERE IS ACCOUNT AS SOMEONE WHO HEARD FROM WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS THE PRESIDENT WAS HAVING WITH THE FOREIGN LEADER THAT RAISED CONCERNS IN THIS PERSON’S MIND ABOUT POLITICAL PROSPECTS FOR 2020, ET CETERA. WE ALSO KNOW, OF COURSE, THAT THE ICIG DISAGREED WITH THE DNI. HE WAS EVALUATING IT FOR HIM SELF, FOUND IT TO BE INCREDIBLE. FOUND IT TO BE PROPERLY IN THE DNIs LANE. THERE WAS AN IMPASSE, A DIVERSION OF LEGAL OPINION THERE, THAT WILL BE RECTIFIED, S OUT FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER, HIM OR HERSELF.>>OKAY. SO LET’S GO AROUND THE HORN REAL QUICKLY AND GET EVERYBODY’S FINAL THOUGHTS ON THIS. I’M INTRIGUED BY SOMETHING THAT ED AND NANCY WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WHICH IS THE FACT THAT, LOOK, AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS HAS GOT TO BE SOLD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO COME AROUND THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. AS ED POINTED OUT, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DRILLING THAT IS HAPPENING AS WE’RE LIVE ON THE AIR RIGHT NOW IN THE “CBS THIS MORNING” NEWSROOM, I APOLOGIZE TO THE VIEWERS, THAT, LOOK, IT IS MUCH EASIER TO POINT TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND SAY THE PRESIDENT MAY HAVE ASKED THE LEADER OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO INVESTIGATE A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, HIS POLITICAL RIVAL, THAN IT IS TO TALK ABOUT EMOLUMENTS OR A WHITE WATER LAND DEAL IF YOU’RE LOOKING. A LAND DEAL THAT NO ONE CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY MEANS. THIS, PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY MEANS. QUESTION BECOMES WHAT IS CONGRESS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE NOT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS. MITT ROMNEY SOUND BITE, AND KUDOS TO ALAN HE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT BESIDES BEING TROUBLED? YOUR FINAL THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THIS. DO DEMOCRATS FEEL THAT THIS IS THE MOTION, THIS IS THE TIME TO STRIKE WHILE THE IRONS ARE HOT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN VERY CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY NOT — THEY MAY BE SUPPORTERS BECAUSE IT IS NOT NORMAL TO LOOK INTO THE POLITICAL RIVAL.>>I THINK THAT ED PUT IT SO WELL BEFORE. THIS IS A SITUATION THAT IS EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, AND IT IS EASY TO CONVEY WHY IT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR A U.S. PRESIDENT TO BE ASKING THE PRESIDENT OF ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY FOR HELP WITH HIS REELECTION BID. I MEAN, YOU HEARD FROM MITT ROMNEY EARLIER, MITT ROMNEY RAN FOR PRESIDENT. LET’S TRY TO IMAGINE IF THE SHOE WERE ON THE OTHER FOOT AND YOU HAD A CASE WHERE PRESIDENT OBAMA AND A PHONE CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF FRANCE SAID HEY, CAN YOU DIG UP DIRT ON THIS GUY, MITT ROMNEY, RUNNING AGAINST ME. I THINK IN THAT CASE, REPUBLICANS WOULD UNIVERSALLY FIND A CONVERSATION LIKE THAT EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC, EVEN THE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE OUT THERE DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT NOW, BUT WHAT HAS BEEN TELLING TO ME IS THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS WHO ACTUALLY AREN’T DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW. MOST NOTABLY THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, MITCH McCONNELL WHO HAS SHOWN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT HE WILL STANDBY THE PRESIDENT WHENEVER HE CAN. IT IS NOT UNIVERSAL, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN HE HAS SCOLDED GENTLY THIS PRESIDENT OR SOUGHT DISTANCE. IN THIS CASE, HE HAS REFUSED TO THROW THE PRESIDENT A LIFE LINE WHATSOEVER. INSTEAD HE TURNED AROUND AND ALLOWED THAT VOTE CALLING FOR THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S REPORT TO BE SENT TO CONGRESS YESTERDAY, MAYBE SYMBOLIC, BUT STILL, IT WAS A SIGN THAT HE IS OPEN TO FURTHER INVESTIGATION BY THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, AND AS HE PUT IT, THE SENATE IS GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. HE IS NOT EXCUSING THE PRESIDENT IN ANY WAY, AND FURTHERMORE, HE IS SAYING THAT HE, HIMSELF, A TOP ALLY OF THE ADMINISTRATION, WAS LEFT IN THE DARK ABOUT WHY THE MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE WAS BEING WITHHELD, DESPITE HIS REPEATED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT TO THE SECRETARIES OF STATE AND DEFENSE.>>AND ED, JUST TO SORT OF ADD ON TO THAT, IS IT ALSO SIGNIFICANT THAT THE AG’S OFFICE CAME ON QUICKLY AND SAID YOU KNOW, THE AG DIDN’T HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE, IN FACT, WE DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?>>IT IS. BECAUSE UNDOUBTEDLY, THERE WILL BE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT AND BARR WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF.>>ALSO SOMEONE THAT MANY PEOPLE, THEY WATCHED HIS PERFORMANCE IN FRONT OF A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE AND YOU KNOW, HE IS TRUMP’S GUY.>>AND IN FACT, KAMALA HARRIS’ TEAM TWEETED THIS OUT EARLIER. BACK IN MAY IT WAS, SHE ASKED HIM POINT BLANK, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ASKED BY THE PRESIDENT TO INVESTIGATE SOMEBODY? REMEMBER HE KIND OF STADIUM BAEMED THROUGH THE OFFICER. THEY REVIVED THAT ON TWITTER SAYING MAYBE THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AFTER ALL. HE DID NOT REACH OUT TO THE UKRAINIAN LEADERS AND TO THAT, WELL, GO AHEAD.>>NO, YOU HAVE IN BLACK AND WHITE IN THIS SORT OF LOOSELY DOCUMENTED TRANSCRIPT, THE PRESIDENT SAYING I’M GOING TO CONNECT YOU WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND RUDY GUILIANI. DID HE JUST STOP THERE? THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT SLISIDDITED OLICITED THE AG TO DO. I KEEP POINTING OUT. THE SO CALLED TRANSCRIPT ISN’T REALLY A TRANSCRIPT. IT IS A, AND I’M GOING TO READ WHAT IT SAYS AT THE BOTTOM OF IT. IT SAYS A MEMORANDUM OF A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION IS NOT A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT. THE TEXT REPORTS THE NOSE OF SITUATION ROOM DUTY OFFICERS AND POLICY STAFF ASSIGNED TO LISTEN AND MEMORIALIZE A CONVERSATION IN WRITTEN FORM AS THE CONVERSATION TAKES PLACE. A NUMBER OF FACTORS CAN AFFECT THE ACCURACY INCLUDING POOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND/OR INTERPRETATION. YOU CAN CHECK OUT THE FULL MEMORANDUM ON THE WEBSITE. KIM, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE AS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS, AND ALREADY YOU’RE STARTING TO SEE SOME REPUBLICANS SAYING YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS NO QUID PRO QUO, EVEN THOUGH OLIVIA POINTED OUT THE NUMBER OF INSTANCES WHERE THE PRESIDENT EITHER TALKS ABOUT JOE BIDEN OR TALKS ABOUT CONNECTING HIS GUY WITH SOMEBODY IN THE UKRAINE. THIS — I THINK IN THE TIME THAT WE LIVE IN NOW, PEOPLE WANT A SMOKING GUN. THERE ARE NO SMOKING GUNS IN LIFE. THERE ARE A SERIES OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT IS LEFT UP TO OUR LEADER. THE PEOPLE WHO WE HAVE ELECTED TO LOOK OUT AFTER OUR BEST INTERESTS TO CONNECT THE DOTS FOR US AND TO TAKE ALL OF WHAT IS OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD AND THEN COME TO A CONCLUSION BASED ON THEIR INVESTIGATION.>>YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A SMOKING GUN, I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO SEE A CRIME.>>THEY WANT TO SEE –>>WITH IMPEACHMENT, RIGHT? BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS NOT ALL CRIMES RISE TO THE LEVEL OF IMPEACHMENT WORTHY AND YOU DON’T NEED A CRIME IN ORDER TO PURSUE AN IMPEACHMENT.>>ABSOLUTELY AND EVEN CRIMES, FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVED THROUGH THE O. J. CRIMINAL TRIAL AND THE BLOODY FOOTPRINT, A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT EVEN WITH SOMETHING YOU WOULD THINK IS A SMOKING GUN, GOOD LAWYERS, GOOD MENTAL GYMNASTICS CAN GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT A SCENARIO IN A DIFFERENT WAY. AND SO THE NARRATIVE IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT RIGHT NOW. WHO IS GOING TO DOMINATE IT? CAN THE DEMOCRATS HANG ONTO THE KEY ISSUE, WHICH IS WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT DO? AND HAVE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THE BIGGER PICTURE UNFOLD IN A WAY THAT IS THOUGHTFUL AND FAIR SO THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED HERE.>>WE JUST RECEIVED A TRUMP CAMPAIGN STATEMENT ON THE RELEASE OF WHAT THEY ARE CALLING A PHONE CALL TRANSCRIPT. IT IS SMALL. I’LL TRY TO READ IT HERE. BECAUSE OF THE PURE HATRED FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP, DESPERATE DEMOCRATS AND THE SALIVATING MEDIA ALREADY HAVE DETERMINED THEIR MISSION. TAKE OUT THE PRESIDENT. THE FACT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO FIGHT THE CORRUPTION IN WASHINGTON WHERE THE BIDENS, THE CLINTONS AND CAREER POLITICIANS HAVE ABUSED THEIR POWER FOR PERSONAL GAIN FOR DECADES. FACTS PROVE THE PRESIDENT DID NOTHING WRONG. THIS IS ANOTHER HOAX FROM DEMOCRATS AND THE MEDIA CONTRIBUTING TO THE LANDSLIDE REELECTION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP IN 2020. THAT COMES FROM THE TRUMP 2020 CAMPAIGN MANAGER.>>SALIVATING IS A NEW DISTRIBUTOR.>>A NEW ONE FOR THE PRESS. WE WANT TO THANK VERY, VERY MUCH. ALL OF OUR CONTRIBUTORS THAT STOOD ALONG SIDE US AS WE GOT THIS NEWS INCLUDING JEFF PEGUES, CBS KIM WHALEY, ED O’KEEFE, NANCY CORDES, CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT THERE STANDING BY TO TAKE US THROUGH ALL OF THIS OLIVIA GAZAS. IT IS JUST SO GREAT THAT YOU GUYS WERE HERE TO HELP US WALK THROUGH ALL OF THIS.>>YOU CAN SEE THE PAPERS SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE DESK. THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF WE’RE GOING THROUGH.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH, GUYS. WE APPRECIATE IT.>>WE’LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEWS AHEAD. YOU’RE STREAMING CBSN.>>>IN CLIMATE WATCH, A NEW U.N. REPORT IS RAISING ALARMS OVER MASSIVE CHANGES TO THE WORLD’S OCEANS DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE. MORE THAN 100 SCIENTISTS SPENT THREE YEARS LOOKING AT HOW THE EARTH’S WARMING IS IMPACTING PEOPLE AND THE ENVIRONMENT.>>SEVERE DAMAGE FROM RISING SEA LEVELS AND MELTING GLACIERS IS ALL BUT INEVITABLE.>>. WE’RE JOINED WHERE SCIENTISTS GATHERED TO RELEASE THE REPORT, NOT A BAD PLACE TO GATHER, AS A SIDE NOTE, IF YOU’RE GOING TO GET PRETTY HEAVY INFORMATION. SO WHAT DID THIS REPORT FOCUS ON AND HOW IS IT DIFFERENT FROM PREVIOUS REPORTS WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE IPCC?>>THIS REPORT CONCENTRATED ON THE OCEANS WHICH IS, I SUPPOSE, ONE OF THE REASONS THEY HELD THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF IT HERE IN MONOCO, THAT AND THE FACT THAT PRINCE ALBERT WANTED IT TO BE HERE AND SPENT MONEY FOR IT AND CONCENTRATED ON THE EARTH’S FROZEN REGIONS. THE NORTH POLE, THE SOUTH POLE, AND HIGH MOUNTAIN TOPS. THE MAIN CONCLUSIONS WERE THAT ALTHOUGH THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO CLIMATE CHANGE OVER THE DECADES AND CENTURIES, THEY REACHED THE POINT THAT THEY CAN’T TAKE THE STAGE ANYTHING AND THE SEVERE CONSEQUENCES FOR HUMANITY AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, LOW LYING COASTAL REGIONS AND PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THE SEA AND ON THE LAND BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE EFFECTS ON DRINKING WATER AND IRRIGATION AS WELL. A LOT OF THOSE ARE ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM. HOW SEVERE THE CONSEQUENCES WILL BE WILL DEPEND ON HOW MUCH CARBON DIOXIDE WE CONTINUE TO PUMP INTO THE ATMOSPHERE

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